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My google alerts caught this one:

3 parachuted from XXXXXXX tower, witness says

XXXXXXXX police are investigating a report that at least three people parachuted from the top of the XXXXXXXXX tower early yesterday morning.

A Seattle man reported seeing three parachutes from BASE jumpers fluttering down from the tower, which is under construction at XXXXXXXXXXX., across from XXXXXXXXX. About 10 police officers responded to the 3:54 a.m. report, but the jumpers apparently had fled before police arrived, XXXXXXX police spokesman Michael Chiu said.

The tower, the tallest building in XXXXXXXXX, is about 450 feet tall.

BASE stands for the types of objects from which jumpers parachute: Building, Antenna, Span (bridge), Earth (cliff). Chiu said BASE jumping is dangerous and illegal and that people caught jumping from buildings may be arrested for trespassing.

Anyone with information can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-274-6313.

Maybe the cops up there have more time on their hands but when I got busted the cop who took me into the station thought the whole thing was a complete waste of his time.

McGruff says: "Help take a bite out of crime...."

Another bit of un-educated journalism... Dangerous, Yes... illegal... not all the time...

Its like saying sex is illegal... well certain positions are....

The arresting officers in my case were pretty easy going, too. (They didn't even show up for the court date.) They just wanted to give us a ticket and let us go, but the Leuitenant that showed up made sure they booked us.

Overnights in County Jail suck ass.

The person that posted this… Why would you post this?

And you that have replied… Why would you reply to this post?

Taunt the cops and you only make you life worse in the future when they bust you!

Why post an article like this that only helps the cops do their job. It’s only going to take one dipshit, with a detailed profile, that want’s to brag that they know these guys to get these guys busted. So why post this information?

My opinion would have been different if the article read “Three men arrested”… Even then it’s not wise to post when legal prosecution is pending…

Please link the original article.

It provides a useful lesson in that:

(a) it shows that just being seen can lead to more heat,
(b) it puts folks on notice that the building and area are a bit hot,
(c) it provides a general object lesson for potentially useful general discussion.

If the news is going to carry it for other folks, there is definitely some notice value for jumpers to hear about it as well.

I agree with you that if anyone knew these guys, it would be foolish to advertise that fact publicly.

It's pretty easy to find if you just read what he said.

Please don't.

Those that are interested enough can surely find it. Less information in fewer places seen by fewer people is better in this case.

Thanks.

Whenever you consider to post something incident related, ask yourself if this can help the base community in any possible way. More often than not, it can't.

Duh.


I would hope that most scenes are tight enough that locals will inform each other when they suspect heat. A couple of phone-calls is all it takes. And surely visitors will always get in touch with the locals first, right?



That's true.

Yes, but how many people reading this don't really realize that?

I've met lots of jumpers who need reinforcing on the idea that just being seen _by anyone_ is not a good idea.

Yep. Suppresion of information is going to do wonders for educating either the public, or jumpers.

I would hope that most of my post leave the impression that I'm in strong favour of sharing information on these boards as much as possible. However, in this particular instance I fail to see who is helped. Tom pointed out three reasons, but I don't find them very compelling. If I'm overlooking another good reason, please point it out.

I guess my point is the article is avaliable in a widely accessable place. Without adding information to it, sharing it here can serve to wake those andother jumpers to the fact their actions may not be without effect even if they didn't get caught.


Edit: Since I don't google search things like that on a regular basis, I would have not heard about it if it hadn't ended up here.

Mmmm, good point. Fair enough. Thanks!

Not much to be learned here, let's move on...

diablopilot--

The only lesson to learn here is don't be seen... But since buildings so happen to exist in cities, that’s not entirely possible… So the lesson here is don’t post jackass posts that help the cops!

 


Tom--

Come on now Tom… You and I know that it’s the job of the person who made this object hot to notify the local population. But if you arguing that this notifies others outside the local group, then this is their bad for not first contacting the locals…

So all in all, the only thing that could possibly be is the usual, “contact the locals” before you jump! And we definitely don’t need these bullshit posts to accomplish that point!

SO how does that post in anyway help the cops?


I disagree, and even if not so, all possible effort MUST be taken to make it so.

I once had some guys tell me that had made a jump at a relatively high profile object in Northern Caliifornia. They had apparently been seen by someone and chased but it was "all cool, because we got away." They didn't seem to realize that their "jump and chase" experience had made it harder for other people to jump that site, even though it had been reported to law enforcement. Putting stories like this on forums like this one can help disabuse people of this sort of notion.

so is it possible that the jumpers themselves may not be aware that the police were even called?

they might have thought the jump went unnoticed...

If it's on the news, I would suspect the people involved are aware.







Edit: phat phingered ... again.

Come on now folks...

Then the start of the post should have read "Anyone from this location can you contact me...".

Have common sense people...

Then discuss it in another forum that is not pending legal investigation...

Tom, I'm not impressed with your lack of common sense in this topic...

I have just been informed by Tom via a PM that if I wouldn’t have attacked his buddy PhreeZone , he would have pulled the post at my request. That reply from Tom has further validated how much common sense is lacking here.

People, just because these guys are not in your crew doesn’t mean their not your BASE brothers. So don’t take learning a petty lesson over the legal pain you’re going to cause them with this post and your replies.

Tom, my response to your PM is… I will always attack posts that lack common sense and can hurt my fellow BASE brothers!

Man your being a little, Hostile with a slight touch of the O'l, (there coming to get me) Paranoia here.
WTF ? ....a jack-Ass Post ?
and I still do not see HOW that Post is helping the Cops.
also the only thing Bull-Shit about these post is you, copping an attitude that In there -Frenzied Search- & by
some fantastic Web-Hunt, stroke of good Luck the local Seattle police Dept. while trying to fight the Huge organized Base
jumping cartel along with there other duties of a large major city.
Yep. they are probably Logging-On and going down these -Crime Riddled Posts- as we speak and filing
our name away in there huge anti-BASE Database to Ruthlessly track us down without Mercy.

All the Post says is ... 3 parachutist were Seen @ 3 in the morning. and then all it's doing is repeating pubic info.

Ohhhhh ..then there is the Replies.
Fuck that's will Really Piss the Seattle law enforcement off.

Zennie:
Maybe the cops up there have more time on their hands but when I got busted the cop who took me into the station thought the whole thing was a complete waste of his time.
McGruff says: "Help take a bite out of crime...."
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and of course: leroydb, Super intelligent post with that Police aggravating witty statement of:
Another bit of un-educated journalism... Dangerous, Yes... illegal... not all the time...
Its like saying sex is illegal... well certain positions are....
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Fuck,! They will most likely give those BASE jump the, CHAIR or life without Parole fallowing the Drag-Net and huge Man-Hunt to Follow this THREAD.
You piss off Seattle's Best off and there is Hell to Pay my friend.
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I've PM'd you.

You're not going to find a lot of sympathy here for your plan to "always attack" posts because you don't like them.

How exactly does this post harm BASE jumping and more than it being in the Seattle Times?

Ray, so are you telling me that if you were on this load that you would totally be cool with this post?

I'm not talking about the post... I'm talking about the whole thread...

I have to say though Ray... I'm quite impressed with your witty lack of common sense...

Oh yeah... Sympathy is what I'm looking for...

1. I don't see the harm in the original post. Especially since the location has been edited out. It serves as a reminder that even when you get away, you might still have been seen.

2. I don't see the benefit of posting a full link to the original article. Those that really want to read it, will have to take the effort to find it.

3. I think some of the replies here have been a little bit harscher than necessary.

4. I agree with Ray that we shoulnd't be too paranoid. The majority of police officers out there still believe they have more important crimes to fight than base.

5. I'm shocked that somewhere somebody thinks BASE is worth a crime-stoppers phone number. Wow.

And most importantly:

6. If somebody on this board thinks that an incident is serious enough to warrant a temporary radio silence, we should give them the benefit of the doubt and refrain from posting, speculating or dabbling. The locals can surely judge the situation better than anybody else, and I'm sure that if the time is right they'd come up with lessons, if there are any to be learned.

Let's stop posting here and let this thread quietly and quickly dissapear from the forum frontpage.

In all seriousness though, the reason 10 cops showed up at the scene had nothing to do with the "seriousness" of the crime and most likely everything to do with the fact that they were bored out of their minds at 3:45 AM.

I know if I were a cop out on the beat at that hour dealing with mainly PITA drunks and then got a call on the radio about folks with parachutes I'd be going "Oh man I GOTTA check this out..."

I'll add this:

If this is the case, a polite request to the original poster, and a PM to the moderator, is going to achieve the desired result far better than an angry retort.

Think less.
Jump more.

Great wisdom... By the way, remind me never to jump with you. The last kind of person I want to jump with is someone who thinks less...

I fully support the use of this forum to share information that I feel could be useful to BASE jumpers.

This incident was very recent, and possibly under investigation.

All local jumpers are aware of the situation and will be staying clear of this building. The proper notifications have been made and hopefully any jumpers visiting the area will contact any of the locals for information regarding the status of a local object they're eyeing.

In almost all cases, a local jumper is willing to meet up with and show visiting jumpers any of our objects.

I would like for this thread to quiet down a bit and possibly let some time go by before we re-open discussion about this incident. That courtesy has been extended to other crews in the past, and I don't see any reason why this incident is any different.

This thread is at the flash point and I don't see any further productive conversation coming from it.

If you have ever been involved with a bust or near bust, I'm sure you can sympathize with what I'm saying. If you're not a BASE jumper, I see why it wouldn't seem like such a big deal.

Can we let this one sit for awhile?

Edit: As a personal favor from all of you, can we let this one sit for a while?

Sure.