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BASE on Aussie TV
I saw a trailer this morning for a 60 minutes bit on BASE Jumping this weekend. Its on at 7.30 on Sunday, on Channel 9.
Looks like typical 60 minutes reporting, making out like BASE jumpers are just cowboys "And now they want to make it legal!"
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Re: [Travman] BASE on Aussie TV
If anyone could record this I'd love to see it. I've heard some (bad) rumors about the content.
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Re: [TomAiello] BASE on Aussie TV
I'll set my recorder.

Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: [Tyrion] BASE on Aussie TV
It's full of shit, on the trailer they show Norway big wall footage while saying "It's Illegal". Suprise suprise, Channel 9 is always the bloody same, at least the ABC had the balls to show something supportive on Australian Story a while back.

Mad
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Re: [Brodes] BASE on Aussie TV
It's my understanding that many of the Aussie jumpers wanted nothing to do with the project after they got a feel for the content. But I'm still curious to see how it turned out.

I'm also curious to see which jumpers they got to help them.
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Re: [TomAiello] BASE on Aussie TV
in 2001 15 recreational rock fisherman died, not many people rock fish, most see it as dangerous so stay away, how ever if someone dies the media usually see's it as the persons choice to rock fish and leaves it at that.

BASE how ever is different.

they'll try and bag out (more dramatise) BASE when I can't remember there ever being more then 1 death in a year in oz, I could be wrong.

I know on the "Australian story" episode (about mainly the Singleman's) they said at the end of it that later this year BASE legality would be up for review in the national parks, maybe thats the main content is kinda about???? any1??.

If I remember the the "Australian Story" episode correctly Someone was talking about regulation in BASE.
then 1 experienced aussie jumper said "when I started BASE I was told there was one rule.... Don't Bounce!!" lol.
is that a global rule thats told ?
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
I can't remember there ever being more then 1 death in a year in oz, I could be wrong.

Unfortunately you are wrong. Last year there were 2 high profile deaths of Aussie jumpers, plus two high profile accidents involving major hospital time.

I bet more people rock fish than BASE and rock fishing isn't generally considered by the populous, however incorrectly, as illegal.
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
No Chris you are wrong. There was one death in Australia last year.
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
Hi Chris,


Yeah more people rock fish thats for sure, but more people die from it to, media likes to sensationalise on minority groups cos the smaller the group the easier it is to portray them as cow boys.

and like the other person said only 1 death in OZ last year.

When BASE starts putting a massive strain on the health system like alcohole does then I say come down hard on it.

if its been all on the add's then 60 minutes seems to think it will sell some commercial time.

If any1 wants, the 60 minutes show usually has a web based chat after it airs,
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/
if the chat for this episode is about base it will start just after 8:30pm sydney time on sunday
remember Australia is 1 day a head of the USA etc
to read a preview of it check this link

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/...05_22/story_1386.asp

CHannel 10 how ever sometimes shows some very brief BASE in a good light on sports tonight, around the time of the Malaysian comps each year.
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Re: [JesseP] BASE on Aussie TV
Lets not get pedantic. 2 members of the ABA. 1 in Oz - not like the other one didn't get MAJOR TV & media coverage is it...?

Hows Oz Jesse?

By the way Cesslon I don't agree with the media portrayal of BASE in general in Oz.
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
CBS has wronged BASE jumping on several occasions. Anyone who gets involved with them isn't paying attention to history. These guys play newbies like a fiddle.

On one occasion a CBS producer called me and asked if I wanted to be "on camera" for a piece they were doing on BASE jumping. I asked the two questions all jumpers should ask in these situations. What's the angle of the piece and how much are you paying?

He evaded the first question and said of the latter, "we don’t pay for news stories." I told him he wasn't doing a news story, he was doing a feature story, a piece CBS would ultimately profit from, and just being "on camera" didn't do it for me. So, no thanks.

Eventually they found a jumper who fell for the "star" treatment and it turned out they damn near burned a long time local site and editied the piece in order to make the BASE jumper look like a total idiot.

What they did was also interview a Yosemite Park Ranger and then they spliced the comments of the BASE jumper and Ranger together. The angle of the piece turned out to be why should the tax payers fund the rescues of people who are basically too stupid to live. It was horrible and when the said BASE jumper saw the final broadcast he was almost in tears. This well meaning, but naïve, BASE jumper got so much flack over it he left the sport in disgrace.

In those days the rule was simple. Just hang up when they call because no matter what they say, you and the sport, will come out looking bad in the end. These days it's not so simple. In the last five years, or so, there have been some very positive pieces done on BASE jumping. And I know the positive stuff is good for us in terms of access and other issues.

So now the trick is knowing "when" to say yes or no. For awhile during the early nineties what we'd do is always refer these calls to someone like Tom Sanders. That would accomplish two things. Tommy knew how to play the Hollywood game and he'd make them pay through the nose. Tommy would then bring you in on the project and would be your protector from the sharks. I still get a residual check every now and again from doing this with him.

The problem is the sharks will just keep contacting BASE jumpers until they find a helpless fish, set the hook, and the next thing you know you're flapping around in the bottom of the boat gasping for air. And at this late date saying you didn’t know doesn't cut it anymore . . .

The above lessons probably need to be part of every BASE first jump course, but in the end we'll never totally solve the problem as vanity often trumps good sense. If you are fairly new to the sport and you get the "call" it probably means other more experienced BASE jumpers already turned them down. That's your first clue to swim away as fast as you can . . .

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] BASE on Aussie TV
every non main stream slightly xtreme sport cops it in 1 way or another.
every on main stream slightly xtreme sport seems to think they are hard done by with the media.

like how the guy on here said they showed footage of norway and said "its ilegal" lol
when some1 here gets taken by a great white shark, they talk about how a man eating great white has taken some1 and show some old file footage of a harmless endangerd grey nurse shark lol.

I guess 1 thing ya don't have to worry about in OZ is the country is to big to have park rangers waiting at the bottom of every cliff.

also if rangers started wearing disguises like I read they do in the USA, I can only imagine the general public here will scream murder, that there taxes are going to fund such a waste of time lol.

BASE is pretty extreme for the camera/tv
there isnt really any need to dramatise it.
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Re: [NickDG] BASE on Aussie TV
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The problem is the sharks will just keep contacting BASE jumpers until they find a helpless fish...

In this case the word was out. Everyone knew, in advance, that jumpers had bailed from the project because they feared it might turn into a hack job.

So "I didn't realize" is not an excuse for this one. If it turns out to be an anti-BASE piece, the jumpers who were involved had full knowledge going in.
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Re: [TomAiello] BASE on Aussie TV
>>In this case the word was out. Everyone knew, in advance, that jumpers had bailed from the project because they feared it might turn into a hack job.<<

In that same vein, a popular national "adventure type" magazine here in the U.S. contacted me earlier this week. I haven't heard back since I asked what they were doing. Please use caution if "you" hear from them . . .

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] BASE on Aussie TV
Here's the blurb from Aussie 60 Minutes . . .

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/...05_22/story_1386.asp

NO FEAR
May 22, 2005
Reporter: Peter Overton
Producer: Lincoln Howes, Julia Timms

It's the ultimate thrill, an extreme sport with a capital E: base jumping — daredevils leaping off tall buildings and cliffs for a few seconds of raw excitement and pure adrenaline. It's highly dangerous — and illegal. Only this week, a jumper plunged to his death off the Eiffel Tower and last month a Sydney man was critically injured in a jump from the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Now Australian base jumpers want to change their image. To them, this is an elite sport and they're world class athletes. They want to make base jumping legal.

Peter ##### base jumping
(See attached photo)

NickD Smile
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Peter.jpg
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Re: [NickDG] BASE on Aussie TV
Those damn dare devils. There everywhere these days. Some one should pass a law. Oh wait.....
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Re: [KevinMcGuire] BASE on Aussie TV
man the add on tv is so bad,

"they want to make it legal!!" he says it in the most serious voice
in all seriousness they have had pedophiles on this show before and never talked as badly about them as far as tone of voice is concerned
also on the add they showed 1 of the jumps from stoopid base
the jumper laying on the ground in pain after he did a front flip off the cliff on his push bike and pulled rather low lol.

worst part about it is he stops moaning for a second and aims the camera at his face and says "ewww that wasn't a good ideA"
so they show that part on the add lol
will be on in 2 hours
ill give ya's me oppinion on how it goes
I think I can give a pretty good general public oppinion (oppinion on what the general public would think).
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Re: [TomAiello] BASE on Aussie TV
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In this case the word was out. Everyone knew, in advance, that jumpers had bailed from the project because they feared it might turn into a hack job. So "I didn't realize" is not an excuse for this one. If it turns out to be an anti-BASE piece, the jumpers who were involved had full knowledge going in.
Umm bullsh*t. Crazy You may wish to check your facts there Tom.

Furthermore, they have no permission to use Stoopid BASE and have been repeatedly told so.
(Note this is being written before it goes to air.)
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
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Furthermore, they have no permission to use Stoopid BASE and have been repeatedly told so.
(Note this is being written before it goes to air.)

so how did they get the st00pid base footage ?
and since they have used it what happens then ?
were the jumpers paid by 60 minutes for the show ?
if they wernt and they used footage without permission I'd be hitting them up for cash
60 minutes usually pays $60k per segment, but if your story is super exclusive they'll pay $200k
$20k for a few seconds of video aint to much to ask Smile
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
Not bad Not bad

Just finished watching it
it wasnt as bad as the tv ad made out.

gave Jimmy and Pete plenty of oppertunity to say why they do it etc.

showed about 5 seconds of carnage, but contained more positive then bad.
the journo even did a tandam with Pete,
1 mistake though was Jimmy (or the journo) said jimmy like tos spend his weekends jumping this cliff, they said where its located and well its the most well known area in the country lol, so next time jimmy goes there at 6am on a satday morning, he might find he has to push pass the spectators.

only thing I would have liked to have heard would be some1 say "base jumpers should do several hundred skydives first"
as right about now there will be about 500,000 kids out there thinking " man I gotta get that gear and go to those cliffs"
which lets hope won't happen and most likely won't happen as ya can't buy a base rig at ya local corner shop here.

but all up I'd class it as positive more then negative.
they did try and make em look a little crazy but at the same time they let them explain why they do it.
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
Not impressed...
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
what by jasmin ?

did you think it showed it in a bad light ?

or did they use your footage ?
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
oh yeah I taped it to,
maybe some1 wants to swap somthing for a copy Wink
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
It wasn't as bad as I was expecting, I have a copy on my computer, I will upload it to skydivingmovies in the next couple of days, I will post a link when it is up.
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Re: [Travman] BASE on Aussie TV
looking forward to seeing this bit
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
Transcript here: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/...05_22/story_1389.asp

Wasn't as bad as I was expecting from the ads at least.

Jas, was the footage of Rob going off on the bike originally from stoopid base? Cuz nearly the same footage was on the ABA 2004 DVD too.
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Re: [Tyrion] BASE on Aussie TV
I cut the footage differently on Stoopid BASE deliberately. The side view they show is from a different jump altogether.

Also, if you've seen my little film, you'll notice other snippets that we did not supply them but were in my little film.

Unimpressed. Invoices sent.Pirate
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
1 mistake though was Jimmy (or the journo) said jimmy like tos spend his weekends jumping this cliff, they said where its located

so next time jimmy goes there at 6am on a satday morning, he might find he has to push pass the spectators.
Cesslon, there's a big difference between naming a site and naming a region.
ie
"...this cliff at *** town/park/lookout/property etc
versus
"...this cliff in **** region/state"

Edited to add: that region contains privately owned areas you can jump with owners permission.
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
I cut the footage differently on Stoopid BASE deliberately. The side view they show is from a different jump altogether.

Also, if you've seen my little film, you'll notice other snippets that we did not supply them but were in my little film.

Unimpressed. Invoices sent. Pirate

Well done jasmin.
make I'd invoice them for atleast $10k although they'll probably wont pay ya jack lol.
or atleast do what ever they can to get out of it.
when ya get a reply from them, PM me (ya don't have to) so I can have a laugh at what ever they reply with
Sly
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Re: [TomAiello] BASE on Aussie TV
I have cleaned this thread up.

Sangiro had to step in here and lock the thread and do some banning as well.

People, it's not so difficult to discuss this in a civil manner, even if you disagree with each other.

There are several important topics here (footage being used without permission, jumpers disagreeing on what is or is not appropriate for television, jumpers giving interviews that push other jumpers into situations they don't want to be in, etc), so I am going to unlock the thread.

If this one degenerates again, it'll just be done for good, so everyone please try to behave in a reasonably adult manner.

Thanks!
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
Lets not get pedantic. 2 members of the ABA. 1 in Oz - not like the other one didn't get MAJOR TV & media coverage is it...?

Hows Oz Jesse?
Yeah, let’s get pedantic Chris, let’s compare your BASE experience with Jesse’s, lets see who’s more qualified to comment on Aussie BASE.
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Re: [Skydawg] BASE on Aussie TV
Having few BASE jumps does not necessarily mean that you are not qualified to formulate an opinion.

Lots of things go into intelligent discussion of a topic--knowledge of the topic is one of them, but there's a lot more. Ability to maintain a civil discourse is also important.
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Re: [Travman] BASE on Aussie TV
I liked the part where they say that probably no man has taken more risks in this sport then the world famous BASE Jumper...Wink
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Re: [Travman] BASE on Aussie TV
I just finished watching the show, thanks for uploading it. Smile

Those aussies are seriously talented, they came across well (rational and reasonable) when interviewed too. Even the sports psychologist's bit wasn't bad. Nice of them to feature a quiet American in the show. Laugh
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Re: [Travman] BASE on Aussie TV
Video: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/...ion=file&id=2330

Dave
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Re: [pilotdave] BASE on Aussie TV
again thanks for uploading and hosting videos in general
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Re: [leroydb] BASE on Aussie TV
I'm currently uploading a small version (30 megs instead of 100) for those that don't want to download the big one. Bout 30 mins left...

Dave
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Re: [pilotdave] BASE on Aussie TV
Hey guys make sure you play 'spot the fucking seppo'.

It really isn't hard.Tongue
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Re: [JesseP] BASE on Aussie TV
Dude, he was like so totally rad to the extreme it was sick! Laugh
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Re: [Skydawg] BASE on Aussie TV
Jesse is more qualified. Much more. I don't doubt that for a second. I don't understand however why it means I am not qualified to make a comment.

I wrote that last year there were two high profile deaths of Aussie jumpers. Am I wrong?
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
To CornishChris

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Everyone is also entitled to consider that opinion or not. You have offered your opinion and people have decided not to accept it.

Your facts are not in question, it is your intent and ethics that are in question. There is also some confusion as to what your point actually is.

A few facts. Over the last few years several high profile jumpers eminating from Australia have died. Two of them in particular (DW + Slim), have contributed more to the advancement of the sport of BASE jumping than any other jumpers in the history of the sport. Their contributions have been in such areas as freefall technique, safety, training programs, equipment, event organisation, BASE organisations, improvement in quality of competitors, video production, NP site access, etc. The list goes on. All of these factors contribute to the safety and enjoyment of each and every one of us.

Existing on the leading edge of anything exposes you to risk. These jumpers were on that edge and gave their lives for both their own personal development and the development of the sport.

The fact that they are Australians is not very relevant. I could say that a number of the fatalities in Australia were British & British expat jumpers, as were jumpers in Britain, Norway, etc. And what have their contributions been? But what would be the point?

Again, please specify your point and its relevance to this discussion.

p.s. people should be careful about what they call experienced and inexperienced. Banging out 100 jumps in your first 12 months is certainly AN experience, but it does not necessarily make your experienced. And it certainly does not necessarily mean you are capable of teaching, imparting knowledge, leading the sport. You can however learn from ANY jumper. So consider all opinions and filter the information. Clarify or cross check the information with several sources.

Stay Safe
Have Fun
Good Luck

Tom
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Re: [TVPB] BASE on Aussie TV
Tom

Good to get a well written, intelligently thought out response.

This has gone slightly further than I had ever expected. It started with me saying [without checking original post], "unfortunately two Aussie jumpers have died in the last year". This was in a discussion about rock fishing and BASE and the various dangers and I was, I thought, correcting the statement that one Aussie jumper had died last year - no other intention at all. I was refering to Slim & Jason FitzHerbert. This was disagreed with and I naively used the word 'pedantic' on an open forum. This then led to some of the worst abuse I have seen flying on dz.com.

I understand how much these people have contributed to the sport, as much as a non BASE jumper can and I had met both of the jumpers named above on several occasions. I was in no way questioning that.

I don't suppose I have a point other than to clarify why offering an opinion in this forum can lead to such abuse. I was trying to put the right statistics in for discussion. If that was out of place then please all accept my apoligies.

I will leave this here.

Be Safe.
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
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I thought, correcting the statement that one Aussie jumper had died last year - no other intention at all. I was refering to Slim & Jason FitzHerbert. This was disagreed with and I naively used the word 'pedantic' on an open forum. .

Actually Chris, I said I don't believe there had been more then 1 death in australia in any year
and you said I was wrong, but so far I'm yet to be corrected.
I only refferd to deaths in OZ (australia) and not deaths of aussies.


I'll assume you misread my post
Smile
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
in that vid there is a tandam base jump hitting water pretty hard.

was that jump made in oz ?
off a bridge ?
just north of a major city ?

cos when I was little I can remember people saying that they tried a tandam off that bridge once and they hit the water a little to hard and broke some ankles or somthing. is this true ? and if so is the jump in the movie that jump ?
or did I just hear missinformed whuffo talk ??
this was well over 10 years ago that I heard this.
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Re: [JesseP] BASE on Aussie TV
I just watched the video...

In reply to:
Hey guys make sure you play 'spot the fucking seppo'.

It really isn't hard. Tongue

Please don't assume that's representative. We're not all like that.

I really thought the Aussie jumpers did a fairly good job presenting themselves. I thought the TV folks worked pretty hard to twist things around on them. But then again, I think they knew that was going to happen. Still, a valiant effort from all the Aussies involved, in my opinion.
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Re: [CornishChris] BASE on Aussie TV
Forum abuse is one of the scourges of life on the BASE internet. It would be an interesting psychology study. PhD anyone?

It seems to be borne about from paranoia, narrow mindedness, fear of rejection, defensiveness, desire for acceptance from the wider community, desire to remain external to the general community, etc. The attitude is also affected by some negative aspects of life experience in this sport (loss of loved ones or people we respect highly). For some, its just a bit of fun. A game.

And many jumpers experience some/all of these from time to time.

I guess its up to the individual if they want to play the game.

Wink
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
That vid was J Rooney and whuffo passenger. There have been two more tandems done from that bridge since then.
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Re: [TVPB] BASE on Aussie TV - Apology from me!
Apology:

The comment at the bottom of this post which I posted previously on this thread was not directed at any jumper in particular and was certainly not directed at jumpers mentioned or posting in this thread. I apologise if any individuals have been offended by the comment. Specifically, JP.

It was a generalisation only.

Clarification:

It is a fact, that many people (not all) think they are experts at the 50 to 200 jump mark. This is true in BASE, skydiving, driving cars, and life in general. Especially for younger males. It is the phase where people know enough about the sport to go it alone when attempting the basics, but not nearly enough to do advanced manouvres. Even though many seem to think so. As always, there are exceptions.

Once again, apologies.

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p.s. people should be careful about what they call experienced and inexperienced. Banging out 100 jumps in your first 12 months is certainly AN experience, but it does not necessarily make your experienced. And it certainly does not necessarily mean you are capable of teaching, imparting knowledge, leading the sport. You can however learn from ANY jumper. So consider all opinions and filter the information. Clarify or cross check the information with several sources.
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Re: [TVPB] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
That vid was J Rooney and whuffo passenger. There have been two more tandems done from that bridge since then.

so was that from a bridge in oz ?
and did any1 break there ankles ?
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
yes Oz - oh darn, I've given the location away. Sorry.

Nothing broken from memory. Lots of bruising and some concussion.
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Re: [TVPB] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
yes Oz - oh darn, I've given the location away. Sorry.

very true, Australia is a small place, I could get in my car and start driving over every bridge, I'd have them all coverd before this decade even finishes....well If I drive really fast Angelic

what country is the cliff in where the d00d in that vid jumps off a nice big brown wall, that had like this small 4 foot overhang (or man made platform) he fell and then did barrel roles then kept falling then did a front flip that d00d, what country was that ? was it europe somewhere or the US ?
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
what country is the cliff in where the d00d in that vid jumps off a nice big brown wall, that had like this small 4 foot overhang (or man made platform) he fell and then did barrel roles then kept falling then did a front flip that d00d, what country was that ? was it europe somewhere or the US ?

I think it is in B***** I***** in the S** F*** F**** in the artic circle. Very well know place with some 4000+ ft cliffs. I think the video was shot at the Red Bull expedition there couple of years ago.
I think the cliff is A**** P***
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Re: [Thijs] BASE on Aussie TV
cool, jump looked very smoo0000oooth
Angelic
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
Just watched it.

I was surprised to find out that Jaap and I are two of only 20 people in the world to ski-BASE!!Laugh I guess I must know almost half of them......
Does this mean we rock?? Or are we just trying to make ourselves feel better?!?!Sly

Now, on the serious side (not that I have one) I thought it came across ok..., good for tv turds like that. I thought Pete came across well and Livia was very well spoken also. The tv guys put their usual little shit spin and tried to drama-queen it up a fair bit but that's what they all do!! They try to make go-cart racing seem dangerous and hardcore.....
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Re: [SabreDave] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
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Does this mean we rock?? Or are we just trying to make ourselves feel better?!?! Sly

It means that you come from a similar gene-pool to Miles D. Laugh

Seriously though - what's a "good" story and what's a "bad" one is all subjective. Every story and any angle will piss-off someone in the BASE community. And as for ppl who say that the media should not be contacted anytime I say BULLSHIT to that. If someone wants to try and get public opinion changed on the thought that BASE is something other that what it is - a risky and dangerous activity pursued mainly by males - then they are undertaking a pretty hard task, but go-for-it in my opinion. Just don't go labelling others who chose to speak to the media as "bad" or "wrong" just because their views expressed on TV are at odds with your pet agenda or project or beliefs - that IS fascist, selfish and childish.

Democracy means free speech and as long as that speech is not malicious, slanderous, site-burning or misrepresentative then it's ok by me.

Now saying that I must say that Miles' apperance was an embarrasment to say the least - but I defend his right, as anyone's, to do his story.



g.
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Re: [GaryP] BASE on Aussie TV
Wow, didn't check the forum for a few days and sounds like I missed all the fun!Crazy

Arguments here typically become a brilliant example of ’its not what you say, but how you say it.’ If you have to stoop to personal insults to make your point, you probably didn’t have an argument worth defending to begin with. [/end of mother-style rant]Wink
Getting back to the 60 minutes piece…

It came across as a rush job- it lacked direction and didn’t address the two postulates of the introduction:
1) Why they considered themselves to be world-class athletes, and
2) Legality and precedent. Both here in Australia and overseas. (Having incorrectly stated at the beginning that BASE was illegal).
I told the producer the same thing and the effect on her was like smacking her in the head with a brick…she didn't take it well.

Edited to add: Before I forget,
“Dude, its like being born! Woo!”
has to be one of the more memorable quotes of the year!Laugh
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Re: [GaryP] BASE on Aussie TV
Well done Gary.

Its a shame that my colleagues couldn't extend the same courtesy, intelligence, and common sense during a very similar program last year.

I guess that proves it was a subjective personal attack.

Thank you for your honesty & objectivity.

I would like to re-iterate what my wife said on another forum. Hypocrites.

I am bitter and twisted. Wink
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Re: [Travman] BASE on Aussie TV
Eh, my $0.02...

I downloaded and watched the piece with a couple of others and the general consensus is that there are a few "Oh puh-leeze..." moments but overall it wasn't the hatchet job that I was anticipating. The Aussies did a pretty good job of putting us in a realistic light.

It obviously wasn't the piece that I or other BASE jumpers would have put together, but that's not really to be expected. Still, I've seen far worse hatchet jobs from the news media that had me literally screaming at the television.
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Re: [TVPB] BASE on Aussie TV
With the aus crew, it seems that the more you contribute to the sport, be it organising, taking on students, opening up sites etc, the more sh*t you cop....go figure!?

Edited to add:Crazy
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
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Its a cultural thing in Australia. TPS. Tall Poppy Syndrome. c.f Greg Norman, etc. Americans may be loud, brash, etc. But at least they encourage and support their leaders, winners, and achievers. We support ours on the way up, and when they reach the peak, we ruthlessly cut them down.

On a more personal level. . . . .

I don't mind copping shit. After all, I give a lot too - so I expect it back. Wink I certainly encourage constructive criticism. It is a very necessary part of development. Assuming that is what you are after. Positive / constructive criticism is a process that examines a system/performance/person/etc, to determine areas of improvement. You can take this on board and improve yourself. Destructive criticism has the opposite affect. It is by definition counterproductive. Insulting people for the sake of it or for purely political reasons falls into this category. Achievement oriented individuals tend to be motivated by, or move on from the negative stuff.

Last year (ACA) I copped an absolute hiding from a number of "anonymous" people (BTW, IP's tracked). This I don't particularly care about as it falls into the destructive category. I don't ignore the comments, but in terms of giving them crediblity, well, not really. Its kind of like receiving junk mail. Unless you know where its coming from, you delete or trash it. Sometimes you might flick through it when bored.

Feral was one of very few people who criticised in an open minded fashion without the melodrama and exaggeration of others. I actually respect Feral's opinion because he is refreshingly & sometimes brutally honest. And you know how you stand with him and more importantly, you know who you are standing with. Onya Feral.

I was allegedly "sacked" from the ABA committee and described as being detrimental to the sport following ACA. This came from one of the many individuals that I took on their first jump and provided ongoing training and use of my equipment. Is that what this person meant by detrimental? The "sacking" was done publically on the internet. No personal email's, no phone calls, no nothing to actually tell me this. The notice was pulled off a few days later. I wonder why? More of the same from others.

Why do I mention this? Bitter and twisted am I!! Not really, it is to raise a point by using an example. Here goes.

Its strange that these same individuals are so passionately anti media lies, exaggeration, personal attacks, attacks against our sport. Yet they aggressively pursue the same strategy against one of their own. What hope is there for our sport and the organisations within when we circle like vultures waiting for the carcass of one of our family members to appear before us? There are some who can't even wait that long. They attack pre mortem. I don't get how people can be so opposed to the media slandering BASE jumping on one hand but then they use media in the same, no, worse vain to slander one of their own colleagues?

The point: totally opposing morals and ethics may indicate psychological "issues", intellectual deficiencies, lack of emotive control, a preconceived bias or perception against an individual or organisation (aha) that clouds sound judgement, etc.

ps. For the record, I actually resigned from the ABA. If anyone wants to know why, feel free to email me. Basically, I have other priorities in my life, I did not want to remain involved in the politics, and I had some fundamental issues with the direction the sport was taking in terms of early / student development. But mainly just other priorities.

pss - the 60 minutes thing was OK by me. Was it perfect? No? But no story, no matter how written, will satisfy each member of the BASE community. Was it similar to ACA? Yes. It had better components, and worse components. I thought most of the answers were well spoken. Pete was articulate as usual. Dan and Jimmy did OK (I have an unused hair brush Jimmy ;)). Talk about Yanks being brash though. Miles is 1MdB. But guess what, he's a personality. The world likes personalities, or hates them. I was surprised to see NO COMMENTS on the ABA forum about the Garie headcam footage. What's the go there? Are people starting to see the error of their ways or were the characters in the story not of sufficient quality to slander. The footage was good. And, as always, illegal was mentioned.

How a media story is received by the the jumping community depends on many factors. It all depends on personal perceptions. These include: the jumpers in the story, footage shown, locations, words mentioned, payment amounts (perceived and actual), issues raised, issues not raised, personal beliefs on legality and danger, knowledge levels, realistic acceptance of what the role of the media is and what society in general expects from the media, etc.

YOu can never make everyone happy.
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Re: [TVPB] BASE on Aussie TV
I personally think Jimmy and Pete are good for Aussie BASE.

I say this as not an insider but as an outsider of the sport.

In OZ if some1 fucks up or dies it makes the news more and more each time. and more and more each time people will think "who are these dumb ass idiots and why the F-bip do they want to even jump off a cliff".

this gives the jumpers no support what so ever, and even verges on negative support e.g "fucking idiots" instead of "well they knew how dangerous is was".

With people like Jimmy and Pete on sports tonight, 60 minutes, ACA and vids (+ interviews) on extreme sports stuff on pay tv like the St00pid base and slim a base life, it puts a friendly human factor to the sport for the outside community (the rest of the tax paying people who own the cliffs and emergency services).
So when some1 fucks up people will think more along the lines of "oh shit, that’s not good, but they know its dangerous" (along the lines of a motor sport accident) instead of "what a fucking idiot, who ever else was with him should be locked up".

I see TV footage from other countries where its like a news story put together on bridge day style events, I'll assume they help with public support???, in OZ there is no such events, and due to the underground nature of the BASE community the only time BASE is really seen is when they show a funeral on the news and these mysterious people that no1 has any idea of who/what they are walking out of the funeral.
are these jumpers aliens ?
are they wanting to die?
are they dumb?
do they even have jobs?
are they selling drugs to buy there gear?
ok... maybe I’m going a little far.

but when the only thing ever shown about base is how some d00d died and everyone did a runner and people ring up the radio saying how
"leaving ya mate behind isn’t the Australian way".
I can't possibly see how someone on 60 minutes etc showing how good they are (even if they are crap) and answering questions can be bad for the sport.

Australia has a rather "us and them" mentality, people want to know who's living in the house next d00r, how ever once they know who's living there they don't really give a shit what they do as long as they keep it to them self.

If BASE is going to be in the news constantly with injuries and deaths it must have (familiar) faces to represent it, or it must be expected to cop shit loads of flack from the news and general public on talk back radio.

Sure it might seem like a smart move to have an old doctor talking to the media but from certain angles it looks like his just being the front man of a cult, with jimmy and pete when they speak it’s the actual jumpers speaking, guys who do the flips and shit you see in the short file footage the news shows and not some guy who fell end over end down some big cliff on the other side of the world.

It’s easy for the Media to manipulate BASE interviews/stories as the general public rarely sees it so they have no idea of what’s true or not, with skydiving its different, every person in the country knows at least 5 people who have done a tandem at a drop zone and can explain who the people/culture are/is.

I reckon more interviews and shit in the media is in the best interest of the sport (and cesslons vid collection).

BASE sells, why? Because extreme sports have awesome footage and BASE makes the number one in terms of extreme footage, 60 minutes wouldn’t have shown the BASE story unless they were 100% sure people would watch it over many other stories.

I say keep having good interviews etc but tell the network “hey if you fuck us over, we won’t deal with you again, and will simply give the other network a story 10 times better next time”, this is currently used by several sports.

BASE doesn’t need to be a front page sport but for the media to manipulate less the general public needs to see/understand more, and Cesslon needs more BASE footage on TV to add to his collection.

I can see how the Media can do bad for BASE but so can silence.

When Jason Fitz-Herbert died my old man was listening to the radio and it said “an anonymous triple 0 (the 911 number in oz) call was made saying he was dead, and the radio guy said how low the other jumpers are and people rang in bagging them out saying how its un-Australian, now I don’t know what really happened as far as the phone call etc but for any1 who listened to the radio it made it sound like he fucked up and every1 else was like “shit man fuck” , “go check if his alright”, “nah man fuck that the cops will get us” , “quick ring the cops and get the fuck out of here”

Having been first on the scene at a bad accident 2 nights ago and having been the person who called triple 0, I noticed they never asked my name, and when all the ambulances, police, fire brigades, rescue squad, etc arrived, no1 had asked my name, so I could be classed as anonymous to.
I have no idea of how Jasons accident was but maybe some1 did stay ?? or maybe they had “the pact” where they planned if some1 stuffs up every1 goes ??.
Either way the general public doesn’t no, because all they see is bad shit (90%), of the time, where as with the 60 minute story the general public can see its people having fun and the jumpers have a better chance of getting there side of the story across, sure there story may be heavily edited/manipulated/changed but like I said above, just take all you stories next time to a competing network.

This is my Opinion, please feel free to correct me on any mistakes, all *constructive* criticism welcome.

Angelic
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Re: [Jasmin / TVPB] BASE politics
Hello,
What you are going through is not an Aussie problem, it's a human one.
None of these problems are new, just new people filling the slots.
Avery
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Re: [cesslon] BASE on Aussie TV
-I agree on the haribrush thing Tom, but you know what its like trying to tell the boy what to do!Laugh

-The Garie beach thing has got a mention (but its in the back forum, not the public one). I'm chasing this up with Giles and Channel Nine, I even managed to get an apology out of the 60 minutes producer.Cesslon, I'd really like to not reheat that little debate- at the end of the day, you weren't there. If you've ever watched a mate die or had to ID a friend or family member, you'll know that no one has a right to judge someone living that nightmare.

Don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your opinion and your right to voice it, I'm merely beseeching some care and sensitivity when doing so.
This thread is a testament to the media's view that their job is all about perception, not about the truth.

Objective reporting is an oxymoron.
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
Objective reporting is far from an oxymoron. The problem seems to be that people don't like the bad things about their issue/ story being brought out, which is a by-product of objectivity. If a report only focused on the positives and ignored the deaths, 'illegality' etc then that would be biased.
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
In reply to:
Cesslon, I'd really like to not reheat that little debate- at the end of the day, you weren't there. If you've ever watched a mate die or had to ID a friend or family member, you'll know that no one has a right to judge someone living that nightmare.

Don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your opinion and your right to voice it, I'm merely beseeching some care and sensitivity when doing so.

Hi Jasmin
I wasn't stating what happend or what was right to do or wrong to do (as I wasn't there), was just trying to explain that if the BASE Community is totally underground and has no real public faces then when $hit hits the fan its free fireing for the media and general public as they don't really see much BASE to understand why or who these jumpers are etc.

hence the reason I reckon stuff like the 60 minutes episode did more good then bad.
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Re: [all people] BASE on Aussie TV
Overall, its good to see some intelligent, objective debating, instead of personal attacks. There is hope for the sport yet.
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Re: [JesseP] BASE on Aussie TV
I agree with you in theory, that objective reporting is about reporting both sides. But in reality, reporting is as much about perception as it is about stating what has happened. Objective reporting becomes an oxymoron because, inevitably, its not what you say, but how you say it.

I wouldn't classify a blanketing statement that BASE is illegal, whilst showing footage of Norway and Malaysia, as objective reporting…

If the inevitable fatality and ‘illegal’ comments get accompanied by comments about legal jumping and events, then that would be progress on objective reporting....Tongue
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
We are screwed in the media for the same reason every other form of "outside the norm" activity is. NBC TV during the early stages of the American space program tried to fix that when they employed reporters like Jules Bergman. Jules was an aviator himself and a big space buff, he understood things and reported events in a way layman could understand. They've essentially stopped doing that and now most aviation events, especially accidents, are reported with inaccuracy and hysteria. We are victim to the same thing.

The end of objective news began in the 1970s. Rather than report what facts they had, I noticed newsreaders began going off script and adding a little comment. Like after reporting a skydiving death, after the who, when, where, and how, they'd look into the camera and say, "that's nuts, and something I'd never do." No one noticed it was the end of giving the public the chance of drawing their own conclusions. It was the beginning of "infotainment."

Until they wake up and spend a little money really being as accurate as they advertise, and until the day comes BASE news is delivered by a BASE jumping journalist it will never change.

"And that's it from Smellveggan . . . This is NickD, BASE 194, back to you, Bob."

Don’t hold your breath . . .

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] BASE on Aussie TV
Hey Nickster, I thought i would add to your post if you dont mind. You have to realize the only people who saw this live in Austraila. Of thoes viewers anyone who has satellite tv most likely didn't watch it. I havent watched 60 minutes since i got satellite. Thoes who have antenna TV who watched it ...of thoes maybe 10 percent watched it while the rest went to the kitchen to get something to eat or drink. So really , not many watched it and thoes who did probubaly didnt care unless they are base jumpers themselves. So that would narrow it down to a few people. I watched it after downloading it because i live in the states. I watched it one time and really can't remember really anything that anyone would really have so much controversy to talk about. It's like i watched "Most deadly season" yesterday about crab fishernman. They lost 6 guys in 1 day on two boats and nobody really cares unless your a crab fisherman or related to one. So what, its TV....It's entertainment ...who cares....Untill Lary King dies base jumping a building In NY...i really dont think there is anything that will change or anyone that will be affected by a quick piece on base jumping...well I did see that today is the end of the season for Mt.Everest....... But i will no doubt forget about that by friday....Crazy

Just my 2 cents......
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Re: [vandev] BASE on Aussie TV
One week on its old news, but it did get 60 minutes (in Australia) their highest ratings of the year.Unsure
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Re: [Jasmin] BASE on Aussie TV
Another shrimp on the barbie ....

NickD Smile
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