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Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
Hey everybody,

I've been getting some PM's after my drunken post from last night. My comment about hitting line-stretch fifteen (15) feet above the water was not a joke.

I went stowed and took a two second delay. I was using a 42-inch non-vented ZP pilotchute. There were about five basejumpers who witnessed it. One was on the big landing area. One was on the beach. One was on the bridge and the last two were on the boat. There were also another 20 whuffo's standing at the side of the bridge. They got quite a show. Two of them drove down to the boat later to make sure I was allright, and to give me a hug for my mom. Smile

I got a full gear- and pin-check right before I climbed over the railing, from an experienced jumper with over 180 jumps. According to witnesses, my PC throw was not sloppy. Yet somehow my pilotchute never inflated and never got away from my body. I kept falling and falling, and started to realize shit was wrong. Around the time land disappeared from my peripheral vision and all I saw was water, I realized I was going to die. Maybe I should have rolled on my back to clear a possible burble or reached back and do something. I suppose such words are always easy in hindsight, and it'll probably take a more experienced jumper to actually do such a thing. Maybe next time. Wink

Interestingly, at this point, I was in a very calm and slow place. Emotions are gone, and the brain is processing thoughts at an amazing pace. There was no panic, no regret, no happiness. Just acceptance. It turned out to be a bit like Tom describes over here.

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The third moment is quite rare. However, it is this third moment that makes me know that if I die BASE jumping, I will die in a perfect place. I tried to explain this to a new skydiver (not yet a BASE jumper, but with aspirations to do so) who knew one of our friends (his jumpmaster) who had died on a BASE jump. I explained it to him something like this: "I know that in his final moments, Skypunk was in the zone. I don't know how to explain this, but if you become a BASE jumper, you will know what I mean." Whenever I have experienced a problem in BASE (parachute malfunction, off-heading opening, over delay [and resultant impact], etc.) I have reacted in a Zen-like trance. I don't think. I don't even consciously act. I just AM. It all happens, and I just seem to be along for the ride. I have experienced riser corrections, toggle hangups, object strikes, even near terminal impacts, and still they all happened in a perfect place, a near Zen trance-state. I only emerge from that place well after the emergency has passed. D-Dog once describe this as “seeing God.” To me, it feels more like “being God,” in some, weird, sufiistic moment of universal consciousness. I know that if I die BASE jumping, I will be deep in the zone. Some people hope to die in their sleep, or while having sex. I cannot imagine a more perfect final moment than that deep, trance-like state. I am one of the few jumpers on earth to know this (having survived not one, but two accidents, both of which should have been fatal), but it gives me some comfort (some--I'd still prefer that I get to know our friends before they go in) knowing that Skypunk, Dr. Death, Cold Steel and all the rest of our fallen brothers (forgive the melodrama) died in this magic place.

Another weird thing was how slow the water seemed to be approaching. It is hard to judge height when you only see the brown surface of the water, but it actually looked like I could live if I braced for impact.

Which is what I did. At a very low altitude, I tucked my knees in and put my forearms in front of my face. One theory is that doing that may have actually cleared my pilotchute, and saved my ass. A split-second later my canopy opened. According to the people on the boat at that point I was as high to the water as my canopy was above me, which would be about fifteen feet. Another nano-second later I landed in the water.

The impact was hard enough to have caused death or at least serious injury if it had been over hard ground.

I quickly emerged from the surface, screaming "I'm okay!" Collin came running out from the trees. He was standing on the big landing area and had seen me disappear behind the trees without a parachute out. Clem and Denise were on the boat and they were amazing.

Instead of being all shaken up and shocked, they were laughing and applauding. At that point, that is the best reaction you can face. I was all shaken up and scared shitless myself, and you don't want to have a bunch of other people doing that too. You want smiling faces and trivializations about what happened. Denise or Clem actually said: "Risk it all..... for nothing!" which was so funny!

Thank you very much for a great boat-ride back to the dock. It was good being surrounded by you guys (Ted, Clem, Collin, Denise, Don) at that point.

Anyway, this post was to clear up some questions people have PMed me. It doesn't address the most important issue though. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

Tom, Tedd and I discussed the accident a little more this morning and we have since learned that the way I packed my pilotchute can cause a hangup. I would say with 95 percent confidence that is what caused this. I have used this method on several stowed jumps with success, but there is a significant chance that the bridle can't feed out of the pilotchute before the pilotchute inflates, yet the pilotchute can't inflate because it's still close on your back.

I am in Twin Falls right now, and I want to first go and make some more jumps. When I get home, I will make sure I explain how NOT TO PACK A PILOTCHUTE. I will shoot some pictures, and maybe a video that shows how it can snag and you can actually apply significant force without it opening up.

I'm stoked I'm still here. This has been a great experience this early in my base career. It's about as close you can get to learning a lesson without actually dying. I always knew and accepted the risks of base, and I honestly think that I started base knowing what I was getting into. However, now that I've been in this place, the understanding has gotten to a whole new level.

I'm about to head out and do my first jump since this incident. I'm more nervous than on any of my previous jumps, even more so than on my first base jump. I'll have great and experienced people standing right next to me though.

Fortunately Cornische is sending me lots of incredibly good vibes. I had also put a tailgate on, so what could possibly go wrong? Wink I'm going to put tailgates on my motorcycle, they totally make it safer. Laugh



Damn, what a weekend here. Total and utter chaos. I'll have to write another post with all the stories. But first I'll make sure I post about my packing error when I get home.

Other interesting trivia about this incident:

  • As I exited, Collin screamed jokingly: "Smoke it LOW!" I certainly did what he wanted. WinkLow altitude smoking had been an ongoing theme this weekend. Nobody actually did it though, until I f'ed up.

  • As I walked out on the bridge, I told some spectators that we were jumping on the other side and that it was better to watch from there. Because (quote): "If I die doing this, I better have a good audience." Laugh

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Re: [JaapSuter] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
Oh by the way, there's a much bigger lesson we can take away from this than how not to pack a pilot chute.

Always leave the camera running!



No, unfortunately we do not have video of this incident.
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Re: [JaapSuter] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
Did you get to your risers before you hit the water ? Wink

I'm assuming you rotated into an upright position when you braced ?

Glad you made it dude.
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I'm sooo glad to hear u made it Jaap! how's the bruising from impact?

I guess it's still my turn to take u out for sushi!
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OMG man... glad you are alright.
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Crazy, Jaap!

I'm so glad you're ok! That must have been one hairball experience...

Glad to hear about the calm you felt in that moment. That's a good thing to know.

Peace,
K
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Re: [JaapSuter] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
193 did something similar--well, the result was similar, but the reason was not--when he took an inadvertent 7.5 second delay at Bridge Day '98. IIRC, he had line stretch at "splashdown."

You're in good company. Don't do it again. Smile

rl
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Hey Jaap.....don't know u dude ......

hopefully someday we can meet........

I'm glad that everything turned out for you


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Re: [JaapSuter] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
From your profile

"Reserve Canopy: Tries flapping arms as wings"

Next time perhaps Tongue
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Wow Jaap, I'm glad I'm not sending that carrot back to you with a get well card or worse!

I'm really anxious to see how not to pack your pilot chute. Also to hear how your next jump went. Laugh
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"Reserve Canopy: Tries flapping arms as wings" Next time perhaps

Roflol. There's actually a theory that me not flapping my arms but tucking them in is what ultimately caused the PC to dislodge.

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Glad to hear about the calm you felt in that moment.

Yeah, I agree. I must admit though, that despite the calmness and the peace, there's definitely still a part of you that thinks: "This sucks, I hope it's not going to hurt."

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how's the bruising from impact?

Interestingly enough, I only had a sore neck the next day. Which has me wondering about the opening speed of my canopy. Normally a slider-down five second ride can bust you up pretty badly.

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Wow Jaap, I'm glad I'm not sending that carrot back to you with a get well card or worse!

LaughLaughLaugh

I hear carrots are good for eye-sight. I'll have to start eating some, so next time I can experience the groundrush even better! Wink

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I'm really anxious to see how not to pack your pilot chute. Also to hear how your next jump went.

Unfortunately we got winded out today. We're going to try and get two jumps in tomorrow morning before my flight leaves.

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Did you get to your risers before you hit the water

Haha, Laugh nice one! My canopy ride was definitely too short for that. I hadn't realized my canopy had opened until I was under water and noticed I was still alive. It went pretty much like this:

  1. shit I'm going to die
  2. brace-for-impact
  3. unexplainable last nano-second slowdown
  4. massive splash into the water
  5. coming back up and seeing canopy floating in the water
  6. yelling I'm okay
  7. seeing huge grins on Denise and Clem's faces

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Glade you made it buddy, I´d have kicked your ass if you were not there on the 25th...
Wink

I´m in Nice airport, heading to US.
Talk to you soon dude.

Jul.
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Hey Jaap, good thing you didn't jump that one off our object eh? That conveyer could have been bad news. I am very happy to hear that you are alright. At least now you know how not to pack your PC, I am looking forward to seeing how you did it when you post the pictures step-by-step.

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Interestingly enough, I only had a sore neck the next day. Which has me wondering about the opening speed of my canopy. Normally a slider-down five second ride can bust you up pretty badly.
It seems like if you took a 5 sec delay that when the pc hesi cleared it would open your parachute pretty damn fast and did if the people on the land couldn't see your canopy out by the time you passed the trees and it still opened in time. Maybe the reason you aren't too busted up is if your bracing position put you head high.
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Re: [RhondaLea] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
you mean 175, B.L.

Rhonda, call him, he's been in the hospital with pneumonia.
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PM sent.
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Were you packed slider down?

Yes, the canopy (Rock Dragon 266) was slider down.

I'm answering for Jaap, because he's probably just getting off the plane in SLC, and I know he won't get home until sometime very late tonight.
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Re: [TomAiello] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
Tom as you were arround(and perhaps still is online(i didnt chek) could you then explaine how he packed that PC?
I mean if another person does the same in the time it takes Jaap to get home we might lose a brother or sister on this bad thing.
cheersSmile
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Tom as you were arround(and perhaps still is online(i didnt chek) could you then explain how he packed that PC?

He S folded the bridle into the bottom half of the fully extended mesh, _before_ folding the mesh in half into the PC bundle. This effectively trapped the bridle inside the PC bundle. My digital camera is, by random coincidence, also in the SLC airport right now, so I can't post pictures of the "Dead Jaap Pack" but I'll try to do so once I have a camera, assuming Jaap doesn't get to it first.
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thanks alot
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I have nothing better to do during my two hour layover at Salt Lake City airport, so attached is a sketch of the packing techniques. I still plan on shooting a little video that displays the technique and actually demonstrates how it can create a snag.

If you open up the picture, you will see two cross-section drawings of a good and a bad pilotchute packjob.


  • The black line is the bridle.
  • The green line is the mesh.
  • The red circle is the cap.
  • The blue line is the fabric (ZP).


One advantage of the top bad packjob, is that the bridle is cupped inside the mesh. That means that if you grab the pilotchute and pull it out, you are certain that you will pull the bridle with it. This reduces the risk of bridle being left in the pouch causing a hang-up that way.

However, a much better way of making sure the bridle comes with you, is making sure you actually grab the bridle by making sure it is all the way deep in the knob sticking outside the pouch.

Anyway, notice the purple arrow. That is the direction in which the bridle needs to feed out in order for the pilotchute to get away from your body.

In the bad packjob, the bridle cannot feed out until the pilotchute actually inflates, because the mesh is cupping it in there, creating a snag point where the purple dot is.

Now there are two important things that happen at once, that lead to the ultimate problem.

The bridle cannot feed out from the pilotchute until the pilot chute inflates

The pilotchute cannot inflate until it gets sufficiently far away from the body. And for this, the bridle needs to feed out.

Notice that a sufficiently powerful throw will make this packjob work most of the time (like on all my previous stowed jumps). Several witnesses agreed that my throw on this jump was not sloppy. Yet apparently it was not powerful enough for the pilotchute to unfold enough for the bridle to feed out.

Anyway, I'm paying 56 cents a minute for internet here, so I'm going to stop writing. I hope this posts made sense, and I encourage everybody to pack their pilotchute the bad way and see how it can create a nasty "tug" or "snag" point when the pilotchute is still close to your body. Ofcourse, don't actually jump it.

My drawing of the 'good' packjob needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there is also the supermushroom, which would have a different cross-section, but also works great.

I'll post a video in one or two days, and I'll also share some thoughts about the lessons that can be learned from this incident.

Cheers,

Dead Jaap
bad_pc_pack.jpg
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Where did you learn to pack your PC that way, or did you make it up yourself?
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Interesting. I've used the same method, for the same reason, for maybe 100 jumps without anything I could recognize as hesitation. I'll definitely do some testing, and probably update my pc packjob. Can you describe more the conditions in which you notice a snag when testing this on the ground? Thanks!

Michael
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you mean 175, B.L.

Rhonda, call him, he's been in the hospital with pneumonia.

Well, it can't be dyslexia, so it must be old age. Or something. This is just a public service announcement to say that anywhere I've ever used the other number (several times) I meant 175.

Thank you, Chris. Talking to him was wonderful. He's one of the best people I've ever known.

Sorry to hijack your thread, Jaap, but you can have it back now, with the knowledge that the ripple effect of your near-miss was an unintended blessing for which I am profoundly grateful.

rl
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Hi Jaap,

Glad that you came through that ok dude. I've drawn a pic of how I understand the 'bad' packjob. Is that right?

Gus
bad-vs-good.GIF
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Other interesting trivia about this incident:

You forgot to mention how you screamed "Oh shit!" before the canopy opened...in English, rather than your native Dutch. Laugh

-C.

"Oh shit" is native Dutch...it's just pronounced different "Oh Schjit"

I guess Jaap is not the person to play with when it comes to a low-pull contest...glad you're still around dude....I'll see you when you're back in 'the lowlands' in a few months...
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Nice pic Gus, that was how I understood it too. I'm not convinced the PC folding method was the only factor. Given Jaap's relative inexperience perhaps what he thought was a good pitch wasn't quite so strong? Maybe the PC wasn't pitched into clean air but was released into his burble?
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As a witness to your spectacular feet I only have one question. How did that tri-tip treat you?
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Given Jaap's relative inexperience perhaps what he thought was a good pitch wasn't quite so strong?
Yes, but there were at least three people (Clem, Denise and Ted) watching who each had hundreds of BASE jumps. All three of them reported that his pitch was strong.

Personally, I wondered this, too. I also wonder if his strong pitch was just the hand motion, and he somehow "dropped" the PC early in the pitch (or had it pulled from his hand by the restricted bridle) without noticing.

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Maybe the PC wasn't pitched into clean air but was released into his burble?
This is all my best understanding. I'm not a physicist, so take with appropriate salting, but as I understand it:

At terminal a falling body has a burble that is twice as long as the width of the body (so, a human falling belly to earth will have a terminal burble roughly twice as long as the distance from shoulder to shoulder). This burble begins at zero (no airspeed=no burble) and increases at a geometric progression until it reaches it's terminal size. That means that most of it's size is attained in the last few seconds before reaching terminal. Jaap's burble at the time of his pitch (say, 2 seconds down) would have been so small that getting a 42" PC stuck in it ought to be practically impossible unless the PC was somehow "stuck" in the spandex pouch, or "stuck" in it's own folded shape.

I think the "PC stuck in burble" thing is vastly overrated on subterminal BASE jumps. The burble just isn't that big yet.
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I think the "PC stuck in burble" thing is vastly overrated on subterminal BASE jumps. The burble just isn't that big yet.

Good point, I get it. Smile
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This burble begins at zero (no airspeed=no burble) and increases at a geometric progression until it reaches it's terminal size. That means that most of it's size is attained in the last few seconds before reaching terminal.


any information on this and the delays and size of burbles? I have tried to find info on this (and posted on BLiNC without any response!)

I would be interested in mathematical data if you have it?!

Thanks

Michael
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It also seems pretty unusual to me that the PC packing could have held itself closed unless it had been left packed for a long time.
Also to me. Which is why I was wondering about it leaving his hand prematurely, or other possibilities. Unfortunately, we don't have video, so the best we can do is speculate based on what we do know.

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What make/model PC was used?
Apex/Vertigo 42". It was pretty much brand new.

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Any unusual catch points on the fold backs on the bridle?
Not that I could find.

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Have you thouroughly checkd the PC construction for snag points at the base?
Yes. I couldn't locate any.

Pretty much the only noteworthy thing about the PC was that the ZP it was made from appeared to be much heavier than the ZP I've commonly seen. One jumper commented that it looked like "paraglider ZP". It was very thick--almost waxy. We were able to make it hold it's shape pretty easily when table testing (I expect that wear will reduce this effect, but this one was pretty much brand new).
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I suggest grounding this pilot chute.

Check the pilot chute for any hot knifed edges that can create one or several small hooks. One of these 'hooks' can catch on something like the mesh and prevent the pilot chute from inflating.

A towed pilot chute has caused several deaths. More than having a reserve parachute, I wish we had a reserve pilot chute sometimes for when the main pilot chute is failing. Perhaps when the main pilot chute extracts the pins or velcro, it disconnects the reserve pilot chute. If the main pilot chute fails, (somehow) deploy the reserve pilot chute. I know, I know... The system is now more complicated and can be more prone to failure.
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Re: [TomAiello] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
If it's the same material that precision sends out, it's just like my Xaos. The "Waxy" substance is just the silcon coating. It's only heavier by feel but nothing substantial. I highly doubt the ZP coating is the culprit.
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>>I'd like to see a complete re-design of the PC. It doesn't seem like they've changed much over the years aside from the advent of ZP, venting and load-tape orientation. Once my design manual finally arrives I want to start stitching some prototypes.
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Interesting. I've used the same method, for the same reason, for maybe 100 jumps without anything I could recognize as hesitation.

I must admit that I am slightly relieved to see that I am not the only one who is using this packjob. Other experienced jumpers have commented that if they saw me pack my PC, they would at most think: "Huh, that's different...", not "Dude, you're going to die!"

This leads me to believe my pitch was a factor as well. See my comments below.

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Sorry to hijack your thread, Jaap

No problem. Glad to be of service!

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I've drawn a pic of how I understand the 'bad' packjob. Is that right?

Yes, that's a great drawing. Thanks Gus!

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Yes, but there were at least three people (Clem, Denise and Ted) watching who each had hundreds of BASE jumps. All three of them reported that his pitch was strong. Personally, I wondered this, too. I also wonder if his strong pitch was just the hand motion, and he somehow "dropped" the PC early in the pitch (or had it pulled from his hand by the restricted bridle) without noticing.

Unfortunately we'll never find out, because we don't have video. I will honestly admit that I was never a death-grip baseball-style pilotchute pitcher. The line of thought being that throwing your PC too far away might cause oscillations. My throwing technique has always worked for skydives (never had burble problems) and in all my stowed base jumps, so I figured it was strong enough.

Rest assured that I am now a converted death-grip pitcher. I am going to get that PC as far away from me as possible. I would rather risk having an offheading induced by pilotchute oscillations than a pilotchute hesitation or failure. Maybe once I get to a more advanced level, I can start thinking about putting back some moderation in my pitch, but for now I'm going to huck that thing away from my body like it's a ticking timebomb.
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I suggest grounding this pilot chute.

That is what I have done. If not for rational reasons, than at least to make me feel better at the exit point.

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If it's the same material that precision sends out, it's just like my Xaos. The "Waxy" substance is just the silcon coating. It's only heavier by feel but nothing substantial. I highly doubt the ZP coating is the culprit.

The material is noticable more rigid and plasticy. If you extend the ZP all the way and hold it so it points upwards, it takes more shaking to have it fold downward than with other ZP pilotchutes. Maybe it'll wear and become more flexible over time, and probably it's a neglectible effect, but I like my pilotchutes to provide zero-resistance when inflating.

I'll be in touch with the manufacturer with some questions about the pilotchute. Just to reiterate though; I'm currently blaming my packing technique and a PC-throw that we'll never find the details on.
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Check the pilot chute for any hot knifed edges that can create one or several small hooks. One of these 'hooks' can catch on something like the mesh and prevent the pilot chute from inflating.

I checked for that for several minutes, playing with the edge points in the centerline and trying to get it to snag. I couldn't, so I'm fairly confident that that wasn't the culprit.

Still I agree that until the PC itself can be 100% ruled out as the culprit, it should be grounded.
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When in doubt, have someone (more experienced) check your new gear. Specs and materials change all of the time, and a veteran's eye may have raised and eyebrow.

It was stated before in the thread that he did have an experienced jumper check his gear at the site just before his jump.

It is really unfortunate that we don't have video of this, but a lot of really good points have been brought up.

Maybe a video would have cleared this thing up is a few hours, but the speculations that have come up on this thread are potentially more valuable.
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It sounds like a pitch problem, coupled with an unusually stiff PC material packed in a less than optimal method caused this near death situation.

I am inclined to agree.

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When in doubt, have someone (more experienced) check your new gear. Specs and materials change all of the time, and a veteran's eye may have raised and eyebrow.

This was done for sure! In fact, I wanted to get a jump in early that day on my new gear, but postponed it because I wanted Tom and Tedd to take a look at my three-rings and big-grab toggles because I had some questions about them (I had just gotten a new container).

At least three experiened people looked at my pilotchute. They all agreed that it felt 'waxy' and more rigid than other PC's, but deemed it jumpable.

That is not to say that they are to blame for what happened obviously. This accident was solely my mistake and my responsibility. Which brings me to what I believe is the most important lesson of this incident.

(See next post...)
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One little mistake and there goes your whole day.

Exactly. So here's the biggest lesson I got out of this incident...

Do not ever assume something doesn't matter in BASE, because maybe it does matter and could save your life.

I think that in my short base career, for every valuable question I have asked, I have asked at least four questions about things that didn't matter. I recall doing courses with both Tom and Jimmy and asking lots of silly things about micro-reefing, weird folds and position of fabric. Most of those questions were not relevant, because as long as the lines are straight and in the middle, the fabric folding is a lot less important (within reason).

This can lead to a point where sometimes you don't ask about some things because you assume that it's not something that matters. I've heard one experience jumper say: "I've seen many different PC (mushroom) packjobs, and they all work." Apparently not all do it equally well...

If you're a beginning base jumper (or an experienced one for that matter), don't ever be afraid to ask something, even when it looks irrelevant. Try to reach a ratio where only one in every ten questions is one that actually had a useful answer. Maybe you'll piss some experienced base jumers off. Maybe you'll get your base mentor impatient. Maybe people will think you are stupid and that you can't think for yourself.

In the end it doesn't matter. It might save your life some day, and there are always plenty of experienced jumpers who don't mind the silly questions. They were once beginners too...

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I'll bet your neck is sore from that opening.

Surprisingly not. Weird...
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there is no such thing as a stupid question, ever..........
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there is no such thing as a stupid question, ever..........

without a doubt, true! always ask a question no matter how unimportant it may "seem"
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The more I read this thread, the more I believe it was PC packing error + some weird cosmic force (whether weak pitch or burble). Of course, its all speculation and we may never be quite sure.

This is a good eye-opener for me and the people I'm surrounded by in BASE. Its a reminder to never be complacent in anything, this sport is not merciful. I'm glad you're ok Jaap, and I really enjoy reading your posts here. Love your attitude man, look forward to meeting you... now that I've survived a machine gun crazed farmer and you've survived a near smack in the water, hopefully we've dodged the reaper till we get to say hello Tongue
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Re: [brits17] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
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now that I've survived a machine gun crazed farmer

eh? do tell or PM please
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Re: [leroydb] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
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In reply to:
now that I've survived a machine gun crazed farmer

eh? do tell or PM please

Its a joke Tongue
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Re: [brits17] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
<--- dohCrazy
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Re: [BASE813] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
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there is no such thing as a stupid question, ever..........

The good old saying of: The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.
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Crosslinking this thread to the video of my PC packjob.
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Re: [op5e] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
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The good old saying of: The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

....another good old saying (not verbatim): To ask a question is a moments shame, to not ask and remain ignorant is a lifelong shame.
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Re: [BASE813] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
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there is no such thing as a stupid question, ever..........
Do you think your sister would shave her arse if i would f#ck her??
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dont worry i dont want a answer ...SlyLaugh
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Re: [evilivan] Hitting line stretch at fifteen feet...
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....another good old saying (not verbatim): To ask a question is a moments shame, to not ask and remain ignorant is a lifelong shame.

That I like.............


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