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Getting into base is pretty easy these days but it is not all fun. Do a search on the movie; 'renes_ongeluk' on skydivingmovies.com and think it all over again.

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Holy Sheep Shit Batman!!! That was U-G-L-Y!!
A few questions for my personal knowledge. Was it a vented canopy? Did the canopy stay reasonably inflated while the nose was against the concrete? It looks like a slider up, was it?? Aprox. how many twists?? Too many to reach above the twists?
And finally is he OK?!?!?!?! He sounded quite hurt but I hope that was just the wind knocked out!?! My best wishes for a speedy recovery for the jumper!!!

Well,after the impact the canopy was vented.Before that it was a ACE 240.The jump was slider up and the girlish sounds were real as for the several broken bones.(nose shoulder back ellbow and foot).Scared the shit out of me that a impact on half brakes is like that.do

Wow!! That's intense!! I am glad you are recovering well and getting back in the air! Thank you for answering those questions.
As for the girlish sounds............my friends will gladly give you a demo of what I sound like just climbing over the railing
No dams where I am, the only dam I have jumped was in Switzerland but not that one. It was probably my scariest jump yet or = to my first anyway.
Be well..................

Godverdomme, kaaskoppie!!

I like your description of the video : "i broke a couple off bones but rest pretty ok"

Get better soon so I can come visit you and Ferry.

Will

 
>>Looks like you got out of one twist in time to smack the wall head-on...bummer
Glad you weren't hurt too badly, but I bet that scared the hell out of you.
Glad to hear you're back in the air

OUCH... you should ask Faber to put it together with his broken leg video

glad you "only" had a couple of broken bones...

were you alone on that jump?
fuck that sounded like it hurt

Nope with 2 other jumpers but it toke them 1 houre to get me to an hospital.well yours ears were not fooling you!

Rene, is that the horrible dutchman that was with Ferry in LB at Easter? Mate, sorry to hear that you have busted yourself. Get better. I will be back in the valley for a couple of weeks end Mar/early April. Hopefully you'll be back on your feet and jumping. Play safe, Neil :-)

Horrible dutchman???Well thank you i did make an impression.Yep thats me hope to meet you next year again.You wont regonize the new me!!

just curious, what config did you have on this jump? direct control? indirect control? packing method? PC size?

Thanks

Michael

keeping with the thread subject:

See attached:


RIP man................

Lets not always try to analyze and explain accidents like this."We" all now we are playing a game with the air and sometimes the air wins!!
I certainly did everything to prevent it!

even so, I would still like to know what your config was on this jump - just for my own over analyticial self?!

I have some questions for you, part of a slowly developing hypothesis.

What is your weight? Height? Body fat composition? What armor were you wearing at the time?

More questions but not related to the above:

Were you jumping slider up in deep brakes? That looked like around a 3 second delay. What corrective actions did you take on opening? Do you think it would have been better to take three seconds slider down rather than risk the more unpredictable heading results of a short slider up delay there?

Glad you're healing. Thanks for the video, that's good for prospective young BASE jumpers to see.

Wingload with that canopy was 0.78.I used shallow breaksetting which i prefer in a "no twist situation".I have almost 500 basejumps and cleared several 180s.Twist was high with slider entangled in it.As for my not so long arms and the small amount of time it totally surprised me.As you see I managed to clear one but not chance to turn for me.I was wearing both ellbow and knee protection and a helmet off course!And hell yes its stupid to make subterminal delays like that.I made couple off 4sec slider down jumps and they are way more safe!

I'm not implying that you made a stupid decision. Hell, I've made more than my share of... less than wise decisions.

We all think about what we're going to do if we open with linetwists. If the twist is high, your options are prett much shit with that proximity to the object.

Would you care to post your height and weight? You can PM me if you like.

ouch looks like you needed to wash them pants
Were there people on the ground or did they jump or other way got down to you?

like i said before.. i hate them sliders

Heal fast dude

yup as you didnt pmed me your adress yet

weight is 165 lbs and my height 1.78m

do you not want to tell me the config you had?

Well i did have a canopy!i think

5'10" and 165. Thank you. One more question. Was most of that blood from your nose?

He did.

Ace 240 loaded at .78

Slider up

Shallow brakes.







Edit: Oops... .78 not .75

dude, i would like to know you config: did you do direct only, or indirect, come on man give me something............ what PC did you have and what config?

Give him time. He'll answer.

Edit: My choice would have been shallow brakes, indirect control only, 42" AV pilot chute, 4 second delay. After considering the object delay requirements, I would have likely opted to jump slider down.

that tells me nothing............. i want more detail!!!!

god I am so anal sometimes!!! hehhehhehehee

how high is the thing to impact?

could you accsess the walkway you missed(you see it on the video) so it could be jumped lower??

yes im weired,its al about not using sliders

Then why not take a 3 second slider down delay from the top?

ja daar moet je DUTCH voor zijn om dat te snappen.

Why shallow brakes? I thought you should always use deep brakes when jumping E's or B's due to strike possibilities.

surely jumping slider up means you jump a more shallow break setting than Slider down? unless you are doing some lower freefalls slider down with nice landing areas where a shallow break setting is better than the deep setting?

anyone like to comment?

PS) on the thread subject - can you please answer about direct / indirect and PC size?

brake settings are more geared toward whether slider up or slider down due to the distance the control lines travel slider down (Line release mod) compared to slider up - rather than the actual object being jumped..............

there are instances of people jumping slider down with the shallow break setting on lower opening jumps due to the canopy flight and opening height............

dude

thanks for posting that videoclip

it should be required viewing for everyone wanting to or getting into BASE

glad you're still with us and hope you have/will heal up well

You know a cleaver guy once said(RIP) that you want to minimize the time under canopy as its under canopy people most likly gets killed injuryed

its all about safty mate

besides i would probaly take it slider down in the 3+(but below 4)delay range,slider off ofcours

A properly configured slider down deep brake setting will often result in opening stall if used for a slider up jump.

>>Is that because the combo of having deep brakes & the slider up pulls that tail down so far that the canopy can't really "fly" until you release the toggles?

Sort of. Essentially, the canopy can't inflate properly, so you either end up with a back sliding opening (better) or a snivel until you pop the toggles (worse--I once had this put me in the hospital). This happens when the brakes are so deep that the canopy can't open enough (or with enough force) to drive the slider down. If you are fast enough to clear the brakes and pump, you can beat this (I've seen an experienced jumper take 3 from a 770' S slider up and have to fight the toggles to get the slider down, but land ok), but if you are low, or you react slow, you can end up snivelling into the ground.

If this doesn't make any sense, I'll come back to it later. I've got the flu, so nothing is making much sense to me right now.

 
>>Thanks, I think I get the gist of it. If that's the S I'm thinking of smoking it low is a bad idea if you want to make the landing area glad he made it okay. Hope you feel better!

Solid object? Shallow brakes? Slider down? Four seconds?

Care to re-think that?
If your four seconds is realistic, you and your canopy would likely be in pretty rough shape as well.

-704

I know this is off the subject of the thread so feel free to split this off.

Also, I know the break settings question has been discussed here and on Blinc but I did a search and didn't find my answer, so...

Is it true then that the best setup would be to have four brake settings, two for slider up and two for slider down. In other words you’d have a shallow and a deep setting for SU and a shallow and a deep for SD. You’d have a shallower setting for jumping S’s where object strike isn’t very likely and a deeper setting for the rest where object strike is more likely. Did that make sense? Obviously some of these would be site specific but just as a general rule is this true?

How many brake settings do most people have?

Not really. I said "indirect control only" which refers to using indirect control of the slider. I never said anything in that configuration about leaving the slider down.

??

I apologize if I'm misunderstanding, but that is a quote from your post...

Edit: I think I getcha now...the four second delay...slder up?
...but may have opted for slider down instead?

I'll take three slider down, any day, over four up, from a "solid object"...
Short delay, low speed slider up jumps are too unpredictable for my taste...

I'm talking about two completely different configurations. After considering the object height, object profile, horizontal seperation on opening, unpredictable heading associated with jumping slider up at that delay range... I'd opt to just do a standard slider down jump.


Edit: Four seconds slider down is definitely not recommended, but is far more common than you might suspect. I know one jumper who took five seconds slider down and didn't sustain any injuries or canopy damage. Surely that was lucky, but canopies are pretty burly. Personaly I've taken over 3.5 seconds slider down intentionally, and 4 seconds unintentionally.

whatever :
it should be required viewing for everyone wanting to or getting into BASE
................................

So, so true... People that want to start BASE.

Should Be Shown A Few Videos of " HARSH CARNAGE "

before strapping a BASE rig on there back and jumping into the first fucking BASE FJC
they can find.
All they see is, Good positive (political Correct) Fluff crap.
Show Them... REALITY.

We always do. None backed out yet, but they enter with a hell of a lot more respect.

bsbd!

Yuri.

The thing has about 180m of height. If you jumping it, best is either slider down, or slider up and open at the second walkway (makes a good 4 second), this also minimise the time under canopy... (Record there is 7 seconds, 5 freefall and 2 under canopy ;-))

Stay safe!

If you want to see "the nose",I released the full version off my accident on the well known site so ENJOY!!

Rene

Rene has posted a "full version" of the accident. Here is the link: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/...ion=file&id=1897
I'm still not sure if I'm going to watch this one. The other one made me feel not so good .
Just glad you didn't die out there.
Thijs

hmm, could anybody answer that question? thanks.

On my Mojo I use one break setting for slider up and slider down.
On my Troll I use two settings, deep and shallow.

I think 4 break settings are a little excessive, but I know some people use 3 settings.

Main thing is to be dialed in and comfortable about your settings, and how it will react in a variety of situations and conditions.

George