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WOW!! What a great time.

Many thanks to Jimmy and Marta, and most especially thanks to those who reached down and grabbed my hand and helped me up to the top.

This was my first trip, and I'm at a loss of words trying to describe it.

If I may, I attached a few "generic" stills.. I have many more.

Thanks again, and congrats to the Texans and their qualifying BASE # jumps, myself included.

Rod

Edit: The moon shot I took just outside Vertigo after registering for the Boogie.

Ditto!
I had an awesome time! Just got back home finally... it's a long drive!

It was great to meet everyone (too many to name...) as well. Can't wait to do it again!!

Jen

That was a wicked good time. I had a wonderful time meeting all the people that I did, and all that I didn't, well, maybe next time. Thanks again Jimmy and Marta, and everyone else who helped make it happen.

Yes indeed, the Turkey boogie was a great time this year despite the less than perfect weather. I made five jumps in total (including one off of a new exit point) and got to witness some scary stuff (a cliff strike, a pilot chute in tow and a nasty line twist jump off of a forward flip) to serve as a reminder that this is not a safe sport.

I'm definitely looking forward to my next Moab trip.

Ok, so do we get to hear the details to these incidents (or see some video)? Did anyone get hurt?

Two of the incidents (pc in tow and line twists) happened to DZ.com regulars. So I thought they would do a better job telling us in their own words what happened than to get my view. As for the wall strike, I saw it happen, but I don't know the details of what caused the wall strike.


The fellow who hit the wall suffered a leg injury, but he got very very lucky. He landed in a part of the tallis void of many big bolders. It could have, should have been much worse.

Yeah! What grand times. Enjoyed everyone's company once again. Major props to Jimmy and Marta for the organization and dinner Thursday eve.

Did some interesting jumps, including my 100th (rollover off 210 ft - Welshman's wall). And a front flip into 1.5 line twists off Tombstone, its all good, I needed a little excitement.

Today is quite depressing, real world and finals just don't cut it compared to Moab. Until next time...

Damn good time!!! THANK YOU to Jimmy and Marta and all the local guides etc. that made the boogie such an amazing event!
Like Rod, this was my first visit to Moab, so thank you to everyone who helped me get to some great exit points, and shared their knowledge and energy!!
I hope to see all of y'all again soon, thanks for the jumps, and the memories......
Special congrats to Jenn and Rod (and I'm sure a few others) who completed BASE....it just keeps getting better

C-ya
Blair

O yea...I attached a pic of a couple of the coolest Texas BASE dudes I know....anyone got pics to share of the INCREDIBLY HOT BASE chics from Texas ....

http://www.dropzone.com/...nt;postatt_id=32200;

bsbd!

Yuri.

The PC in tow was VERY interesting and in my opinion deserves it's own thread. When I get time I will start that, if the person doesn't beat me to it. Factors included were the multi attachment point. If it wasn't off of the frozen pizza (i.e. a lower exit) it would not have been a good thing at all. More to come.

What exactly is a PC in tow in BASE jumping?
I always new it in skydiving terms as a total malfunction where the main container never opens resulting in (hopefully) a reserve ride.

Think container lock.
For some reason, the pilot chute isn't generating enough drag to open the container and extract the parachute.

It could be a pilot chute issue. Possiblities include:
Worn out, damaged, wrong size pilot chute for the planned delay, or random freak occurence such as bridle tangling with/pinching off the pilot chute.

Or the pilot chute can be just fine, but something prevents the container from opening.
Possibilities include:
Mis-routed bridle, improper closing procedures, a poorly/improperly functioning shrivel flap on a velcro container, too much tension on the closing loop(s) of a pin rig, and so on.

It's always a bit disconcerting to hear about this type of problem.
If anyone can shed light on the specifics of this incident, it'd be much appreciated.
-Josh

wrk sux
can't stay in my seat for more than 15min at a time
must go back and jump some the exits i missed

thx everyone

Was this a PC in tow with the container closed or the one with the container open and the bridle locked in the multi locking band?

congratulations on BASE, rodney. You'll be under the wire for 900 something.

Hmm, I don't know how a multi is packed. I've never seen someone pack it up close. Is it possible to explain in writing what a PC in tow on the multi locking bands is?
If no one was killed I presume then that it was a temporary PC in tow, right?

Yes

Up by the yoke, there's several rubberbands to stow the multi bridle. If one of these hangs up, the PC is pulling on the stow and can't extract the canopy until the stow releases.

Yes you did

Thanks! Can't wait to find out what my #'s going to be...

hehehe...

DOH! How'd I figure that thing would come back to haunt me

And thanks for the actual BASE pic Rod! Congrats on completing the acronym.

wowee nioce pic... no need to be haunting...

That's exactly what happened. Actually to our dear friend on borrowed gear. The setup used black rubber bands (full) and we asked someone who knew about multi's and she said they are cutting these black bands in half now. I know nothing about the multi, but I personally don't like it. Again I say personally, I know a lot of people like them/jump them and setup right I see the benefit. This particular situation ended in a hand held 1/2 second jump turning into a 3 1/2 second pilot chute tow. It was not cool. I don't know how people are setting up these multi's and I know that the recommended way is with half a black rubber band (or regular bands) but if anyone is still using a full black stow, DON'T! PLEASE! I almost lost a friend to a simple little rubber band (and then who would I jump with?). I was going to do a new thread, but hopefully enough people will see this and spread it around if it isn't already well known. I am not saying the multi is bad, I think what I am getting at is not done correctly (like with anything in this sport) it CAN kill you.

That is quite the badass pic there Brits, and some quite badass jumping you did, too. I only wish I would have jumped MG again, once just wasn't enough. Hell, I would like a nice pic of me from that angle too, that's sick.
See you guys soon I hope.
Adam

for me either

i NEVER use the rubberbands to my multi no matter if its open or closed. i simly s fold in nicely on the top of the packjob(well a Faber nicely way anyway)

Was brits17 like the second one to jump off tombstone on saturday?

And does anyone know who was the one near the end that the pilot was thrown at the top but they had a long fall before canopy opened?

Videos of questions.. WMV format may need to download.. Small file size
Front Flip twist

Late open

The PC in tow was Peterk.
Lucky fucker!
~J

Mmmmmm, groundrush....

I posted this on the rubberband thread, but it sucked bad enough to put here too...

Jesus Peter. I'm glad that one worked out for you. We have big plans don't go messing them up.

I'll call you riiight now.

Nope, not on Saturday. I saw Kieran do one, might have been him in your video.

Peter! I never did get a chance to talk to you about your PC in tow, I got phone-jacked.

I can't tell you how glad I am everything turned out alright. Don't jump those black death rubber bands anymore! Of course, I'm sure I don't have to tell you that one

Katie.

Doubt it would've towed if the delay had been a little more hairy chested.

Delay is good...for separation, increased snatch (Ooer Mrs!!) crisp openings and general manliness.

A solid 3 is about right for that hill.

Cowboy up!

Don't forget the principles the old crusty folks proved our for us.

yup, the front flip twist video from tombstone on saturday is kieran.

is that the ozzie kieran?

yup

Yeah, I clucked at him like a chicken right over the radio before he went... and he still didn't do a gainer. C'mon, I did it when YOU clucked.

Kieran went second, I was third, we both did fronts, so it was one of us if it was Saturday.

I had a great time, too! I am not a BASE jumper yet, so I just went to spectate the Friday and Saturday jumps. Great views and pictures! Hope to jump with you guys next year !

Did he have line twists on that jump?

Nope, no line twists, but it did look uncomfortable.

Handyman-Tyler's post included these 2 videos. The front flip and Peter's PC in tow. I put them here so you won't have to use too much energy scrolling up. :)

Front Flip twist

Late open

just spoken to Kieran! love the way he down plays that video!
good to speak to you again mate! - love ya work! shame you have to move coz of cash!

Woah dood. Glad that worked out.

Rauk recently wrote

"do you really believe this?"

Absolutely. My system wouldn't have hung up regardless of delay type.

I saw the entire jump clearly from the ground as well, plus several times on video. He *may* not have taken a complete 1 second, but it was damn close. Besides, the delay should be almost irrelevant if he set up the gear properly.


Huh? Are you saying that all jumps should require at least a second delay?... And if you had seen the jump or video, once again, he clearly did not release his PC prematurely.

Not irrelevant. Delay is never irrelevant. Physics says otherwise.

Try holding onto your canopy when you throw it out of the window of your SUV. Tough huh?

Now try it on your skate board.

In a 3 second delay you could've chained that bastard up and it would've opened.

Ok, not really...but you get my drift.

It would be pretty complacent to believe any aspect of a jump is irrelevant. BASE is about reduction of variation. Consistency is the key. If you can truely eliminate variation then BASE is truely safe.

Black rubber has been around for ever. This wasn't the first time this has happened. I have tons of this stuff on video. This was (as usual) a number of contributors stacking up but for every contributor to disaster there is an appropriate countermeasure which was lacking.

Throw 'n goes will always be an increased risk (how much I wouldn't try to quantify but more risk is worse)due to the relatively small forces involved. I'll jump the black fukkers on a terminal jump any day (although I still wouldn't recommend it...right tool for the right job). Throw and go? No thanks.

Grow some hair on your chest, Jedi. 2.5 to 3 seconds will keep you alive longer from this big stuff. Hurling on launch is never guaranteed to be the most expeditious method for extracting your canopy.

The quest for increasing snatch doesn't mean we're looking for more basejumping chicks (no more hate mail please. That was another joke)

Stay safe

You're right, its never irrelevant. I was just trying to make the point that in this circumstance, I believe a multi should function regardless of delay time if set up properly.

Only if you rig it correctly, right on.

I know Brits, I'm picking. But this forum is aimed at newbies so all the experienced jumpers (you included) need to ensure your responses, if technical are correct and exhaustive. This is the main reason I hardly ever post technical threads. I'd hate to think that I was responsible for poor info cos I only have a few (drunken) minutes to spare to write a below par response.

Your post would've raised no eyebrows on the BASE board.

I've been thinking recently that maybe the more experienced jumpers may be a part of the problem for the newer guys. Half the time our posts don't stand close scrutiny unless you already have a certain amount of familiarity and expertise to follow the threads closely.

Perhaps we assume too much. Perhaps we should keep these threads on Blinc?

In the interests of keeping this a newbie thread and therefore less deeply technical...how about you and me gettin' it on sometime?


I'll be thinking of you in the men's room.

It was a pleasure sharing an exit point with you Craig.
~J

No way. The delay was not incorrect, The Multi hanging up on the rubber band was the problem. What you say there suggests that every delay less than one second is in question. In my opinion, the tow *probably* would have happened even with a 1 1/2 second delay. If you watch the vid, it clearly towed for over 3 seconds so even a 1 1/2 second delay very likely wouldn't have provided enough snatch force to clear the stowed Mutli. It's unclear to me after reading drides post in the rubberbands thread whether it was stowed too deeply or not. As I heard it from the owner of the rig, it was stowed 1/2 inch however, he may have been more clear with dride. Either way, the delay was not the issue.

Take note that the container was already open when the PC was in tow. The container would have opened with a 0 second delay.


Is there any correlation behind your eyewitness friend who walked down and the pilot chute in tow?

I was an eyewitness as well as loads of other people. While there were some winds, the conditions didn't interfere with anyone's deployment, or canopy flight.

The Winds were an issue in the jumpers decision to go hand held,(believing it would be safer) with a short delay. ( Which could have led to the possible differences in snatch force from one of their usual delays.) which would most likely have been longer.
~in responce to~:Take note that the container was already open when the PC was in tow, the container would have already been open with a 0 second delay.But could the added snatch force of a longer delay possibly have freed the multi from the bands as well as the closing pin?
~J
just my 2¢

Absolutely. However, the PC towed for a long time. This rig was configured properly, according to BR's recommendations.

If I do a go and throw, my pins will pop as soon as the PC inflates. After that, there's nothing to prevent the canopy from being pulled to linestretch.

With BASE gear, you shouldn't have to take a full second delay to ensure you don't have a PC in tow. You should be able to take whatever delay you want and expect the container to open immediately.

I think a better option, if you insist on controlling the multi, would be to put a 1 1/4" rubberband, cut in half lengthwise, around the s-folded multi bridle. Only one wrap. This will not prevent the PC from extracting the canopy, but it'll keep the multi bridle together until the inflated PC pulls it out.

Keep in mind, I don't jump BR gear or use a multi.

"While there were some winds, the conditions didn't interfere with anyone's deployment, or canopy flight."

I agree. I was third off the rock, and though there was some marginal wind, it was just that, marginal. I felt comfortable doing the manuever I did regardless of the wind, and I am a wuss, so that goes to show you, too, it wasn't real bad.

The weight of the canopy and the corners of the container might hold it in there for a bit. I've seen a dropped PC on a PCA result in an open container, inflated PC in tow, and canopy sitting in the pack tray for nearly a second.

With modern pin rigs, especially if you are doing things like priming pins, using slicker loops, lengthening loops, etc, that may yield looser pins, it is no longer necessarily true that the maximum extraction force requirement occurs at container opening. With some setups, you can now see canopy extraction requiring _more_ force than container opening. (Obviously, in PK's case, multi deployment required more force than container opening.)

jumping multi canopyes all the time(actualy never jumped anything else)i NEVER use rubberbands to stow the multi no matter if i sheet the multi or not.I simply nicely make s folds on the multi until it has the lenght i want to close the container.
I never had an issue whith the above,and will keep jumping it so.

Just for clarity and curiosity sake...are the Rubberbands that stow the multi in place only there to hold it in place? (so would the weakest band that can hold it in place be the best option?)
Thanks ~J

("In the interests of keeping this a newbie thread and therefore less deeply technical...how about you and me gettin' it on sometime?


I'll be thinking of you in the men's room. "---SKINFLICKER)

Oh, Skinflicker. Youre just still mad that Jennejen stopped sending you nude photos via email. Give up on Texas, man.........

ha ha ha

What makes you think she stopped?

I've been beatin' it like a hostage.

Yes, it is possible that the added snatch force of the pilot chute after a 2 second delay could have freed the Multi sheath from the black band. For sure, 1/2 second was NOT enough snatch force to accomplish this.

This rig was configured properly, according to BR's recommendations.

Then will you explain how the rig was set up and how this is different from what BR recommends?

[Perhaps we assume too much. Perhaps we should keep these threads on Blinc?


excellent point.

perhaps these postings should take the time to explain exactly what we / i mean without assuming a priori knowledge.

in that case, i'll back out since i 'm not really into typing.
i will be happy to discuss this ad nauseum if we ever cross paths.

be safe

kleggo

"What makes you think she stopped?

I've been beatin' it like a hostage.
$kin. "---SKINFLICKER

You know, skinny old man, just because I like you, Im gonna do you a favor. I can see you still have Jen issues, and, while I normally dont do this kind of thing on the Internet, heres Jenny's number 867-5309. Now, of
course, I dont know her personally, but I imagine youll need a houston area code. Just tell her you got her name and number off the wall, if she asks...

Now y'all have fun and solve some of that excess sexual energy.



ps. skin- since Im doing you a big favor, the least you can do is find out why the hell she wears a dog collar. With a tag. According to my info that means she is a part of the S+M bondage lifestyle as a submissive and has entered a committed relationship (like marriage) with a dominant, whose name appears on the tag. But Im relying on you for the details. With pictures or video. thanks man.

Nice.
No, I am not part of a S+M bondage lifestyle... sorry Dennis
It actually happens to be a good luck charm (long story). And it's not a tag, it's a LED light, that happens to work great for the night jumps.
And BTW it's a CAT collar, not a dog collar.

Love it.

Bless your heart.

Ok. So where the living hell did skin go? Hmmmmmm. Jennejen showed up. Skin vanishes. Coincidence? I think not........

Hmmmm. Must be off making another hostage video......


Oh yeah. PS. We want the long story, jen. Short stories are for graduate students. Bedtime stories go here: Denparbasejmpr@yahoo.com

Dennis,
Looks like you & skin need to go back to sleep, so I can show back up in your dreams...

Off to bed i go

Yes, Mistress.

Seriously, Im old enough to be your dad. I wasnt having a go for you, I was having a go at you. But you know that, already. Anyway, the line for you has gotten way too long. My athritis couldnt handle that...

Ahhhhhh, twas not to be Cheri....I leave you to all your young men.

But the long story would have been culturally and sociologically interesting...

Bring a raincoat.

ha ha ha... dirty old man

*cough* *cough*

Ok, Ok... lets stop pickin' on Jen now.

hehehehe

...men are evil

Hey. Its not our fault that youre an awfully pretty young lady. Of course, its not your fault either, but you love the attention. Youre perfectly aware that a small crowd of young virile men have gathered, nervously eying you, and every single one is gonna remember every single word youve said here, and think about you all night long. And hope that you make your avatar bigger real soon.

In their own guy way, several guys even admitted that theyre in love with you, from Base 704 to Zennie (proud of you, man) so youre feeling pretty good right now. And in closing, let me just add that ("I can promise you two things, one, Ill always look this good, and two, Ill never give up on you")--Hellboy.

'bye Jen!

Why ? This is how kids and base jumpers express their love

bsbd!

Yuri.

Ah.... well then I feel *special*
hahaha.

hehehe... aww.. well thanks Dennis, you crack me up! I guess it's nice to know that someone will be thinking of me tonight then... hahaha. Only question I have though is, if all these guys are in love with me, why am I sitting here all alone?
hahaha!!! (Just being silly)

Wow... this thread has really gotten off topic.

Yo Rodney! It was nice to see you out in Moab. I'd love to cutaway and make a long stay there sometime.

Good one you for your first E!

And second... and....

Note to self ... it looks like JeNnEjEnN needs a little TLC.

Back on topic ... Moab was fun and I just may find myself back there again this weekend if Mother Nature cooperates.

yeah, that would help.


That would REALLY help!! I'm jealous!

JeNnEjEnN <---- Your avatar makes me dizzy i cant get to sleep

Need new pics : )

I must be drunk sorry

Yea, maybe make a 2005 calender, with hot chicks, in bikinis, at exit points... Or topless, with their rigs on...

Yes, that would fit inside my cube nicely...

Nice!
great idea. I'm in...
Even better... nothing but a bikini (or those fun star nipple band-aid like things...), a rig, and some han-wags... hahaha

Maybe kinda like the old leading edge base ad huh?

man, talk about this thread drifting...

but I like the new direction...


I would certainly like to see a picture series titled: 'JeNnEjEnN does the leading edge adverts'

ya know jen, i was wanting to do my 100th naked, with nothin but body armor and hanwags on... now wouldn't that be cool?... at least humorous.

oh well, i was boring and it never happened.

I don't know about where you are, but in NC it is unwritten law that your 100th is done naked...


Oh yeah...30 degrees if I remember correctly...

But...
The body armor would pretty much negate the nudity, would it not?

Some people put saftey before your NC traditions 704... lol Is 700 the only one in the NC crew to not do his 100th naked?

Ganja

Yeah but it would have a certain "Xena: Warrior Chick" appeal.

Ya know, she is coming by tonight to have me dub some of her... ahem... video.

Boy I sure would hate for somebody to hack into my computer and post all of that onto the Internet somewhere....

I remember being in freefall after jumping a 1000' naked from a tower. I remember thinking "I'm at one with nature!"

Naked?
Eye to eye with.. with the city?


Check this out, folks http://photofile.ru/...p;sn=&id=3691022.
It's a 25 floors B in the Moscow. Daytime, the working day just finished... Sub-zero temperature... 17-years old guy on the roof with his gf as a cameraman...

Oh! The white stuff you can see on the last picture is the snow

hehehe.. yeah, it would have been very interesting. Don't know how much fun it would have been if you didn't stick the landing though...
Moab = rocks & sand. yeah, that could be a bit uncomfortable... hehehe

hehehe... ahh Ted.
You know I don't have any of THAT kind of video...
hehehe.. c-ya tonight

hence, body armor and hanwags... i'm set. and i did stick the landing, unlike some other two doing some fancy maneuvering...

Really? Say it isn't so.
I can't believe that someone would actually consider their own well being to be more important than keeping a tradition such as the naked 100th alive...
Skin is right...base jumpers are definitely losing their edge.


Yep.
Oh, boy...I hope for his sake 515 doesn't see this.
This is a huge blaspheme against all that is base as far as he's concerned...just take a look at his avatar...
Add in the factor that he was 700's mentor...I think you get the picture. (hopefully, not too vividly)

-704

ps...

You know...I fully expected that from someone, but I didn't really think that it would be one of our own...
I believe that some sort of redemption will be in order here...remember, the tar and feather daze are making a comeback.

All this talk about nudity and BASE... Enjoy...

Now 704, I didn't imply that I would not be living up to the honor on my 100th, but let's look at it from another standpoint... Does anyone really want to see me naked?

Ganja

I can only speak for myself, but that would be a big "no".

I was referring to the fact that I expected someone to whine about "safety first", but I didn't expect that it'd be you...

Oh no, you're going soft again!
Did my naked cliff with nothing but the rig on, barefoot and all

Well, just wanted to see ya really naked

bsbd!

Yuri.

I've been secretly violating Base700's sister in her rear orifice in silent retribution for a couple of years now. I also glued his ex-girlfriend eyes shut with my man-juice. We are almost even now

Hey don't forget about 698. He broke the tradition well before 700.

nice.


wankers

Here are some of the pictures i promised a few of you. if you are in one of them send me your mailing address so that i can mail you the CD. Well tell me what you think.
Later
Ryan

Ryan,
Nice pics, thanks again! Was great meeting you and Neil, hopefully we'll run into each other at another exit point in the near future. C ya!

Awesome!!! Thanks again for taking such great pictures!!
I actually got a couple of y'all from welshmans, and another great picture of doug's tree landing... I'll get them tomorrow & post 'em.
*yay*

Nice pics Ryan.

call me or the other this week, there might be something

Looks like there was a fun time had by all and hope to go with next year, job depending

Now i know who all those people i was watching were. I am the whuffo who brought my kids to watch you guys exit on that small drop. Thanks for a great show