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" Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
In my opinion.....
You bunch of Whiney-Ass, Fucking Pussies.
I am getting so fucking sick of this , Jumping off the Rail .CRAP.
Most of you don't know your Ass's from a hole in the ground
There have been a Thousand or many more than that of the Rail.
Nobody cared. or gave a, Big Flying Rat's Ass.
The town of, Twin Falls, the police, Don or Bert. or Pedestrians or Traffic.
No One.... CARED. No one Thought ...Twice About It !

The Rail is the only thing we ever used to jump off of.

Do you think you can follow this ?
Now.....Shut your Pie-hole up and listen.
The Main reason we don't, jump off the Rail Is.....

In 2001 Avery, Dennis, Harry approached the city of Twin Falls and in
The proposal that was submitted to them. For IPBC and possible control
of the bridge, like something that resembles a, commercialized Bridge Day.
That they wanted to start and run.
There was some rules submitted to the city counsel on how the jumpers
would conduct themselves.

The one that SUCKED The MOST was .........
We, As Jumpers, Will not be jumping off the Rail. at anytime.
The, No Rail Rule never existed until the 2001 IPBC Snake River Comp.
All of the sudden we go a list of rules before we attended that comp.
No BASE jumper will jump off the Rail. at anytime.
That Rule Never Existed, Until After That Point In Time.

All I remember is saying,... Bull Shit.
Us that jumped the bridge on a regular basis. We all looked at each other and said....
"what kind of crap is this. Who in the Fuck are they, to make rules for us to follow ?
Who the fuck made them the Boss ? What gives them the right to control us ?
The rules were made to benefit them. but.....They affect us. Why ?
What makes them think, they know what is best for me ?
What a bunch of control freeks. I will not stand in line and be told what to do.
Who in the hell do they think they are ?

Slim and I and a few others wandered in to Twin Falls back in 1998 and I
would imagine there were a few before we got there that jumped off the Rail.
There were... Flat and stable, Back and Front aerials, CRW, and muti-ways, and
Many, Many board jumps and Hand-stands and I even think, Smiley, took his
Wing Suit off the Rail once. Even things that were done, without common sense.
Would you believe....No One Cared.

We stood on the Rail.
Ooooo...Nooooo...We jumped off the Rail.

Why don't you people get a grip on your Mindless Rail jumping Dribble.

What is really funny.....
The were no serious injuries and no one ever, Cratered-Inn
until after we had rules.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
that was then ,this is now .while i see where you are comeing from to me it is a small faver to ask so that we can keep on going back for a long time . thanx muff muff muff
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Re: [brothermuff65] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
You are pretty much stuck to, No jumping off the rail.
As far as your Conscience and Ethics holds you back.

I am just feed up as far as I can take this, Rail jumping dribble.
That keeps pouring out. It is predictable as.... Pavlov's Dog.
You mention the words,- Red Bull & Rail - in the same sentence.
and ring the bell.
It is a slobbering feeding frenzy.
It never ends. Now it's "Radix video"

Die," No Jumping off the Rail "...(stab - stab / with a stake through the heart)
DIE.....DIE.....( stab - Stab) ....DIE
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Ray, what the hell dude. Want to jump this week sometime? We didn't go to Moab. Give me a call.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
All I can say is Thank You brother and I second that.

The trip I met you and others there jumping off the rail, and no big deal. As long as you could balance in the wind.

And what else? the better part? '98, '99 you could SHOOT THE STEEL. yeah, it wasn't even a big deal. noone differentiated between climbing up underneath and launching vs jumping off the rail vs jumping off the deck.

IT WAS ALL JUST JUMPING!!!!

Then something got the Bridge Enigineer involved with permits, who said.....no no. ONLY AUTHORIZED people under the bridge.

And hence began a new rule......That is now part of the ethics and code of the bridge. That was the start, and then came the Rail. Or did they both come at once?



Thomas


edit: Names removed
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Gosh, Ray, last time I jumped at TF with both Slim and Dwain they were fine with not jumping off the rail. Why? Well, a bit of fucking common sense I guess. And it seems to me that if DW could exhibit commonsense in this regard and avoid a pointless stick in the eye to "authority" in the process, it can't be so bloody hard can it?

The local folks -and local jumpers - don't want folks going from the rail. So. . . don't. How fucking hard is that? Can't understand the connection, Ray? Need someone to spell it out for 'ya. . . ?

The thing is, jumping off the rail is no more fun than jumping otherwise at TF (or doing the wild and super-duper rad "jump from the steel" bullshit that was never more than a silly waste of time given that the bridge is legal with nil approach. . . why in the world would one muck around underneath. . . there's always HS in WA if that's one's preference, though I suppose there's a bit more skill required to do that object than some other posters here could muster in a crisis; I even hear there's a few big bridges back East with genuinely fun steel for those with the skills to get there absent needless Drama).

It's a bridge, over water. Where you launch from is pointless. Perhaps, Ray, if your "BASE career" has gone so downhill that the rebel thrill of Jumping the Rail at TF - WOO HOO CRAAAAZY! - is your current apex experience. . . well that speaks for itself now don't it.

There's heaps of objects in the world with heaps of twitchy, funky, scary, cool exitpoints. TF isn't one of them. It's a bridge, a nice legal bridge that's great for learning aerials to boot. What the fuck difference does it make to eschew jumping from the goddamned rail? What, you need the extra 4 feet height so you can "smoke it in baby" and impress the newbies? Try some bolder jumping, perhaps, if that's your real goal.

As for the misplaced "I am such a rebel" attitude, it does make me chuckle. It's just so entirely out of place. Perhaps this is mid-life crisis or something? In which case, why don't you buy a new car or something and leave the delicate TF situation alone.

I don't even jump at TF anymore and haven't for years, but it's painfully fucking obvious to me that jumping from the rail is a stupid, selfish, pointless, gutless, pathetic thing to do nowadays given the social climate down there. So if the self-appointed Cool Kids are just Too Cool For School to stay off the fucking rail, here's a concrete suggestion: I'll show you half a dozen bridges in the PNW where you can jump from the rail. You might need some actual skills to survive the jumps, but the rail's all yours. And if you do these jumps and still walk without a limp, you'll earn my respect - grudging or otherwise.

In the meantime, Ray, your petulant diatribe here simply reinforces how utterly idiotic the whole "argument" is. Don't. . . jump. . . the. . . rail. . . at. . . TF.

Simple enough?

Cheers mate,

ds
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Re: [Dd0g] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Does anyone know the MAIN reason for not jumping off the rail?

MOTORISTS DRIVING BY CAN EASILY SEE YOU ON THE RAIL - RESULTING IN MORE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS FOR THE RUBBERNECKERS, OR MORE 911 SUICIDE CALLS.

PS. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone. Cya.
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Re: [base428] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Hey....Jason
Got this funny E-mail from , BASE Ethics this morning
It is hilarious......Stuff Laugh
A must to read.

Ray,

You don't question the laws established by the Constitution of the United States.
You just abide by them. Do you pay taxes? If you don't, then think about who has
authority to govern you, and what happens when you willingly neglect the payment of taxes.

THE SAME APPLIES TO THE LAWS OF BASE JUMPING. You don't question them,
you just abide by them. If you don't, then think about who has the authority to govern
you, and the discipline that shall be placed upon you...

BASE JUMPERS. And guess what...cruel and unusual punishment isn't in our
Constitution...remember John Vincent? You'll beg to be in his shoes, even after his ass-raping
in a NO jail after a non-BASE related crime.

Want to jump from the rail? Let US catch you doing it, and you'll be lucky to ever BA...you'll
be lucky to ever...SE...you'll be lucky to ever jump...better not let us catch you, because JV's
ass-raping would be a blessing upon you.

Respect BASE, because our government imposes MUCH worse penalties than the US government.

Sincerely,

BASE Rep., State of FU, esq.
.............................................................................

Dear BASE, Ethics
To tell you the truth I have not jumped off the Rail in idaho for a couple years.
With the huge amount of BASE traffic/jumping the past few years in Idaho.
It most likely has been a Plus.

Sorry ...I do not know who, John Vincent is, or his story.
But I will tell you that, Sodomy is illegal in Oregon and Idaho.
Even though it might have been a consensual and Loving act between you two.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Too bad Mr. BASE Ethics has to hide behind an anonymous email. I tell it like it is, with no hiding behind false screen names or email addresses.

PS. John Vincent day blazed a building in Atlanta, I believe, and was later tarred and feathered because of it. The locals had the building dialed in for nighttime jumps, and John's daytime jump burned the building, and got somebody fired over it.
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Re: [base428] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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PS. John Vincent day blazed a building in Atlanta, I believe, and was later tarred and feathered because of it. The locals had the building dialed in for nighttime jumps, and John's daytime jump burned the building, and got somebody fired over it.

Don't stress about it, Jason. Ray knows full well the facts surrounding JV's blatant burning.

Rather, Ray is just using the conversation as an excuse to indulge some of his gay fantasies via yet another rabid homophobic rant. . quelle surprise, as they say up here with less than a touch of irony. Ever wonder where all of Ray's homophobia-out-loud comes from? That's right - denial, Ray is in fact gay as a treeful of parrots. Gay as a three-dollar bill! Gay as a sky filled with fluffy, rainbow-colored clouds!

Don't worry, Ray. . . someday you'll find a man who won't reject you, and then you can finally find peace. Until then, I hope your gay fantasy life is enough to sustain you. Cool

Peace,

D-d0g

ps: gay sodomy isn't illegal anywhere in America any more, Ray - the Supremes knocked the piss out of that one last year. So when you do find the gay lover of your dreams, bugger away to your heart's content without fear of jailtime big boy. Wink
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Jeez!
I'm going to have to go get a job or something.
That way I won't have time to read this shit!

Last time I was at TF, it was still ok to jump the rail, and I did several times. Big deal.

The fact is that the sheer volume of jumps there has increased dramatically, and one of the very few things they've asked is that we not jump from the rail.

That's fair enough, I can live with that.

Look on the bright side: Climbing over and being forced to lean out a bit before exit better simulates some of the "unauthorized" jumps that we like to do anyway.

If the weather's good, I plan to huck a few things this weekend.

Ray: You're welcome to join us for something midway between PDX and here if you want. Contact me or your local hacker if interested.

If we do a bridge, I'm going to insist upon using the steel, though.Angelic

-Josh
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Re: [3ringheathen] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Hey guys,
Did I mention I didn't put any rail jumps in my video?
-jimmy
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Re: [Dd0g] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Ooh!

That one made my eyes water.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
This was started because basically I was sick of hearing about that Bridge Rail.
I have never heard so much Crap about a, Piece of Steel in my life.

This also has been quit interesting.
Throwing out some, Stimulation out there to see who Bites on it.
The Reaction from posts and e-mail has also been Interesting.

Some were Negative and some were Positive.
(also)...One or Two, were Slobbering at the chance to respond and transfer there
Honest emotions to my, -Rail Jumping- Stimulation.
If you read certain people's Posts. You can see a lot of .....
** Who They Really Are ** (also)...Usually have a, Hidden Agenda.

Most of you, I feel kind of fall in the middle about jumping off the Rail, but
Sway a little on the side of doing what is right for the whole group. but in
general You really don't, Give a Flying Crap.. Just keep the Damn Thing Open.
You did not respond ...Good on ya.
Smart enough not to respond to my....
3rd Grade, BASE, Pavlov's Dog, Science Experiment.

But....back to the Post's, made in Response to my, "Radix Video" jumping the Rail.
If you read certain people's Posts. even Mine.
I can be accused of being a little antagonistic...( True ) A little Weird... ( True )
but I'm .... Honest . That's a big fucking - Plus +

* Base428 (jason bell).... All in All stand-Up Guy
The same for DexterBASE (chad) and CrazzzzzzzyThomas

* BrotherMuff65 (johnny gates).... Gotta Luv Him - It's always - All GOOD

* Skinflicka..... He's a .... Basterd
but....I like that ...( Skinflicka ) He is a real, Shit-Starter in a... (good way)

Let's Not Forget : (not in thread) but........
* Perrinegrl
Meghan: Had good intentions but started one of the most F##ked up threads in the BASE
community. With No BASE experience and No Free-fall Skydive. just a couple Tandems.
but had... Noble Intentions.... (rolling my eyes).

* jimmyh .....(trouble maker) but would share a exit point with him anytime.

* What about - BASE Ethics ? / Mucho-Mas, Freaky / Bad- Shit-Starter.

* What about ..."KidWicked" has no Info Entered ? He also has a History of starting
Crap in the WingSuit Forum. Now he has nothing better to do than try to Convince
people to Boycott Jimmy's Video because he did a few Rail Bails.
Shit-Starter, for Sure. but... worth my time to figure out ?

(also not in thread))....
* Tom, I could not believe he didn't get in on it. .....( I think he is catching on.)

.Again, I would like to thank those of you who..Transferred a Response to my,
"Rail Stimulation" Fun...Fun...Fun...

** PS: Honestly, I really have never heard the story on, John Vincent,
Never paid much Attention to BASE politics and sure in the hell ever logged into DZ com.
till Dwain, smoked it-Inn. Basically, " I Just Jumped."
and.............
Did not Know, The Supreme Court, Knocked the Piss out of ...GAY SODOMY, last year.
I am glad to see someone has a -Need- to keep up on that subject. Wink Laugh
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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....Tom, I could not believe he didn't get in on it...
I could be wrong but I think he's been out of town and somehow not been able to get to a computer.
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Re: [pBASEtobe] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
"dammit"...Tom should announce more in advance when he's leaving town.
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Did not Know, The Supreme Court, Knocked the Piss out of ...GAY SODOMY, last year.
I am glad to see someone has a -Need- to keep up on that subject. Wink Laugh

Laugh it's called being educated, big boy. . . you might want to try it someday. It's really fun! Sad that I know more about the legal system in your country than you do, and I don't even live there.

No hidden agenda here. I disagreed with the argument you proposed in your initial post on the subject. I found your response to be laughably indicative of some major issues regarding sexuality that you seem to never tire of publicly fighting to bury within yourself, without much success. Hence, I engaged in what we call "satire" with respect to this issue. Look it up in the dictionary if that one eludes 'ya, Ray.

All I hope is that you can get past this "angry denial" stage and come out of that dark, musty closet Ray. I still remember when you hit on me at Slim's bachelor party. . . and I'm not the only one! TongueSmile

"Rainbow Ray, they call 'ya. . . Blush

ds

ps: the Supremes ruled on a Texas law covering same-sex sodomy specifically, but their ruling was written to encompass all currently-existing U.S. laws regarding "sodomy," however defined. If you'd have taken the time to read the article you might have figured this out, and not made an ass of yourself. . . again. Oops.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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What about ..."KidWicked" ... He also has a History of starting Crap in the WingSuit Forum.

Total lie. Show me where, exactly.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
* jimmyh .....(trouble maker) but would share a exit point with him anytime

I look forward to meeting you. You don't sound like an idiot at all. Mildly educated? With fair amount of history/experience to back up you words.

Apparently rare commodities these days.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
 
Ray
I have never met you and I realise I'm a very inexperienced and probably not very knowledgeable jumper, BUT I have to disagree with your statement below:

In reply to:
This was started because basically I was sick of hearing about that Bridge Rail.
I have never heard so much Crap about a, Piece of Steel in my life.

I'm pretty sure the rail is not steel! ShockedTongueWink
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Re: [jimmyh] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Little, do you know !
"I have been, Intellectually Bankrupt for years."
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Whoa, I was told to check out dz.com, but I never expected this! Ray, what's your problem with not going from the rail? Maybe it's not as dangerous as "a few" think, but have you ever heard of rules? What's your problem with obeying them?

Maybe we can jump the OTHER legal bridge in the US sometime. Oh, wait, I'm sorry...there's only ONE. So what's wrong with respecting the rules established by Twin Falls, and by BASE jumpers, in order to keep the Bridge open?

So what if you're gay, so what if you don't speak/understand proper English, so what if you don't understand the laws of the US. True, that makes you a moron. BUT HOW ABOUT RESPECTING OBJECTS, OTHER BASE JUMPERS, AND THE RULES ESTABLISHED BY BASE JUMPERS AND OTHERS?

Seriously, what is your problem? This is truly disturbing.

PLEASE, Ray, don't burn our bridge, PLEASE don't give the whuffos reading this a reason to jump the rail, PLEASE forget about yourself and show some respect for others...PLEASE????????
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Re: [skydvr18] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
In reply to:
Whoa, I was told to check out dz.com, but I never expected this! Ray, what's your problem with not going from the rail? Maybe it's not as dangerous as "a few" think, but have you ever heard of rules? What's your problem with obeying them?

Maybe we can jump the OTHER legal bridge in the US sometime. Oh, wait, I'm sorry...there's only ONE. So what's wrong with respecting the rules established by Twin Falls, and by BASE jumpers, in order to keep the Bridge open?

So what if you're gay, so what if you don't speak/understand proper English, so what if you don't understand the laws of the US. True, that makes you a moron. BUT HOW ABOUT RESPECTING OBJECTS, OTHER BASE JUMPERS, AND THE RULES ESTABLISHED BY BASE JUMPERS AND OTHERS?

Seriously, what is your problem? This is truly disturbing.

PLEASE, Ray, don't burn our bridge, PLEASE don't give the whuffos reading this a reason to jump the rail, PLEASE forget about yourself and show some respect for others...PLEASE????????

Well said.
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Re: [KidWicked] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
In reply to:
Well said.

I'm not so sure about that. You might want to give a little consideration to who you're talking to. Ray has been jumping far longer than you or me and he's forgotten more about BASE than I know. He's a solid jumper with solid ethics but he does enjoy stirring up some shit once and a while.

You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but you might want to stop for a second and think about the possibility that you may be talking to someone who will be around long after you and I go in.

Just a thought.

Ray, call me damnit I want to make a jump tomorrow night.Wink
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Re: [skydvr18] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
P.S. Skydvr18, your 13 base jumps hardly makes this "our bridge".
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Re: [DexterBase] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Dex,

We've never met, but from what I've heard (and seen), you're a good guy. So thank you for your response.

However, I still do not think that Ray has ethics when it comes to BASE.

I don't care how long Ray has been jumping, I don't care how many jumps he has, and I don't care how long he lives. DW went in before Ray, but DW has shown more kindness to me than Ray ever will, he has taught me more than Ray ever will, and he has done more for BASE than Ray ever will. So Ray can outlive me and out-jump me, but that doesn't mean $HIT when it comes to BASE and ethics.

There are PLENTY of people out there who don't even know what BASE jumping is, but their ethics are better than Ray's, because they wouldn't jump from the rail, encourage it, or spit in the face of others who respect it, because they know right from wrong.

Dex, you said, "he's forgotten more about BASE than I know"...you're either right in the sense that he's forgotten ethics, or he just never had them.

You also said, "but he does enjoy stirring up some shit once and a while." I hope that's the only thing Ray is doing right now, because I might excuse that (as long as the whuffos don't follow in his footsteps).

Thanks for your reply, Dex...it was worded quite well. Let's make a jump sometime!




I'm not so sure about that. You might want to give a little consideration to who you're talking to. Ray has been jumping far longer than you or me and he's forgotten more about BASE than I know. He's a solid jumper with solid ethics but he does enjoy stirring up some shit once and a while.

You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but you might want to stop for a second and think about the possibility that you may be talking to someone who will be around long after you and I go in.

Just a thought.

Ray, call me damnit I want to make a jump tomorrow night.
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Re: [DexterBase] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
And who do you think paid for this bridge? Who do you think has more respect for this bridge...me or Ray? Who do you think is LEAST likely to burn it...me or Ray?

Forget about experience...just compare common sense, respect, and the will to keep the bridge open.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Hey Ray,
Staying off the rail is about longevity.
Long after we've made our final flick there,
a fresh batch of BASE jumpers will show up.
Site preservation for future generations is
well worth the inconvenience of climbing over.
Avery
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Re: [DexterBase] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
In reply to:
I'm not so sure about that. You might want to give a little consideration to who you're talking to. Ray has been jumping far longer than you or me and he's forgotten more about BASE than I know. He's a solid jumper with solid ethics but he does enjoy stirring up some shit once and a while.

Just dont forget that old guys makes mistakesTongue

I think Ray did this to get people to think..
the ironic in the forbitten rail jump is that BASE ethichs says there no rulesTongue

I dont agree in rail jumping off that S,but only in the name of keeping the brigede open for future BASE jumps.

In reply to:
Ray, call me damnit I want to make a jump tomorrow night. Wink
damnitMad i never get any phone calls if i wanna go jumpSlyLaugh

Ray call Dex. late july or so(if you can rember his # at that timeTongue),i wanna hook up aswellAngelic

OLD farts ALL of youWink
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Re: [DexterBase] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
skydvr18 :
I don't care how long Ray has been jumping, I don't care how many jumps he has, and I don't care how long he lives. DW went in before Ray, but DW has shown more kindness to me than Ray ever will, he has taught me more than Ray ever will, and he has done more for BASE than Ray ever will. So Ray can outlive me and out-jump me, but that doesn't mean $HIT when it comes to BASE and ethics.
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Hey.... skydivr
I have stepped away from more BASE jumps because thing were not Right
or May have caused some heat on a BASE object.
More times than you have BASE jumps.
If you would come up hear and do a few jumps with us, you would know.

Those of you that know me or jumped with me know. . " I am a.".....
Right-wing, RedNeck, Pro-gun, Nut, that drives a Large 4x4 pick-up truck
like an extention of my Penis. That has no education,& BASE jumper.

** Dexter....coming to the aid of friend and fellow BASE jumper.
Dude you fucking Rock.. Thanks Buddy
PS: I will let you in on a little secret,
"I have not jumped from the Rail for years." and feel that, ( NOT ) jumping
off the Rail is a good idea.

** Dexter - the whole point of this Thread was, that I was sick of reading
another, DZcom. Thread on that damn. ..Bridge Rail.
(also) I was just board and just wanted to hear comments from all the Half-Wits.
who have never meet me or jumped with me.

I really don't get very much BASE information from the DZcom.
I just like reading and trying to match a face to the people Posting.
Most of them I have never meet, so trying to figure them out is tough.
A lot of them are funny and smart, some are not.

On this thread : "Radix Video" jumping the rail, most people just let
I slide on by because it was beneath there intelligence and not worth the time.
(but)....................WOOOOO.. HOOOO
There are a few of you that are funny.
Some want to, Tar and Feather Me. Accuse me of being with out BASE ethics.
HELL.....I even got some Post's, Quoting about Laws passed for..." Sodomy"
Then wrote his, " Autobiography on Homosexual Erotica.and Hate "
Putting my name....( In the Place of His.) He is clearly an, Over Educated man
that can not control what comes out of his Brain. ...(basically), To much brain,
(but).. No common sense and has not learned know how to apply it.

**Avery ..... Shame, shame, on you getting in on this dirt. I know you are
smarter than this.

Laugh (also) : I now have a little more respect for Tom.
I had no idea that he had to deal with this many Idiots out there.
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Re: [skydvr18] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
In reply to:
However, I still do not think that Ray has ethics when it comes to BASE.

Go re-read his statement and you'll see hes not advocating rail jumps, he's simply stated some of the history as to why they are not allowed, and how people are not actually thinking for themselves....
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
In reply to:
**Avery ..... Shame, shame, on you getting in on this dirt. I know you are smarter than this.

I had no idea that he had to deal with this many Idiots out there.

That's precisely our point. You seem to be saying that the longer you've been in the sport, the less you should have to care about site ethics.

To me and other people, that doesn't make any sense.

Sure, BASE to many people is about "sticking it to the man" and breaking the physical rules that most people have in their heads. But here's one rule that we should all live by: Don't do anything that endangers other people's sites! The jumpers who LIVE in TF don't want people to jump from the rail, so don't do it! Don't do it, and don't argue devils advocate against it - you're doing more harm than good.
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Re: [base428] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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MOTORISTS DRIVING BY CAN EASILY SEE YOU ON THE RAIL - RESULTING IN MORE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS FOR THE RUBBERNECKERS, OR MORE 911 SUICIDE CALLS.

Traffic accidents are the major problem. Even a minor fender bender on the bridge backs traffic up all the way down Blue Lakes, usually as far as North College (Cafe Ole/La Fiesta) and sometimes as far as Addison.

I am a BASE jumper, and I get pissed when it happens. What do you think the non-jumpers in town think? Any time they hear that the traffic back up was "caused" by a jumper (I know we don't actually cause it, but anything that draws attention out there causes jumpers to slow and potentially collide), folks around here get pissed at jumpers.

Staying off the rail is a good idea. Not because it's illegal (it's not, actually), but because it's considerate to folks like me, who live here and like to be able to get to the store. Blue Lakes is _the_ major thoroughfare through town, and when it gets backed up, it's no fun for us.
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Re: [CrazyThomas] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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'98, '99 you could SHOOT THE STEEL.

It was illegal then, and it is illegal now. If you are caught on the steel, the cops will arrest you. Jumpers getting arrested would be _very_ bad PR for BASE in Twin.

Please stay off the lower steel. I've even worked out a way to set up rope swings from the sidewalk, so that those of you (you know who you are) who climb out there to do that have no excuse. Drop me a line if you want to see how it's done.
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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Sorry ...I do not know who, John Vincent is, or his story.

Serious? Dude, I'll show you the video next time you're in town. It's freakin' hilarious.
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Re: [skydvr18] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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Maybe we can jump the OTHER legal bridge in the US sometime. Oh, wait, I'm sorry...there's only ONE.

I can think of 6 off the top of my head. Know why I'm not sharing their names here?
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Re: [TomAiello] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
i saw him on Discovery whith his jump off them no longer B´s (Frown)
I thourght it were a short delay,but i never saw the area anywayCrazy so i couldnt tell if that were the reasson,how ever people screams ontop of that B were awsome he he

(Mac you rember my first cliffLaughSlyeven as the family knew what we were about to do,then the kids screamed "he jumped,he fucking jumped"SlyLaugh)
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Re: [skydvr18] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
BASE ethics are not now, have not ever been, and likely will never be, absolute. They operate on a sliding scale, like most things in life.

Ray has been around a long time, and seen the slides of the scale. So has Avery, and several other folks posting in this thread.

Getting into ethics arguments over absolutes is kind of pointless. We evolve a community standard and stick with it as a community. Ray knows this, and whether he wants to stir things up here or not is relatively unrelated to what he does in the real world.
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Re: [KidWicked] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
I think KidWicked has some good points here.

BASE ethics aren't really related to legality, 90% of the time. Something can be illegal, but still ethical, same as it can be legal, but unethical.

And we all, regardless of experience, comprise some part of the BASE community, and our group ethics.

Everyone, just remember, Ray _has_ been around this wheel a few more times than most of us. You see it spin a few times, and your perspective does change a little.

Anyway, why bother going from the rail when we can put a plank out and go from there? It's just as good a launch, and distracts the drivers less.
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Re: [TomAiello] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
We will get signs around the roads here in Norway now! After a huge news paper story about a jumper almost hit a car before landing! They even took a picture of him passing 30 m above the road, landing safe in the fields next to it Cool Great early morning story, they was so shocked, but managed to stop and take pics of him passing the road, and landing Laugh
Warning base jumpers.jpg
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Re: [KidWicked] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Kid
Man You just don't get it.
I am a strong advocate for proper training and properly teaching a
Learning BASE jumper proper, Edict in how to treat a BASE object.
And I try to make a practice of using proper, Ethics.

Make this Thread more than just, "My Bad Habit" and entertainment.

Every BASE jumper makes mistakes. I have made a few. Have You ?
EVERY and I, MEAN EVERY, BASE JUMPER at one time or another
has used, Bad Judgment when jumping a object. They have slipped in a
little bit after Dawn, in the light. Walked up to something just a hair to early
just before dark. Or has just done something stupid because He or She,
just wasn't thinking. THINGS that might not be considered., Ethical practice.
It just happens some time to, EVERYONE. You just have not jumped
long enough to even make mistakes ???.

Man I don't dislike you, but...........
You have this, " Thou SO HOLY" Attitude. You need to get out of your
"Anonymous, make-believe, Cyber World" and actually consider joining
BASE jumpers in the real world. (just my opining)... My world may not be Real.
If your going to be antagonistic and, Flip me shit, that is OK, I really Don't Mind.
If you want some respect from me, How about using you Real Name, and
Maybe do some jumps up hear with me. Hey maybe even ask me to come
over to your town and kick me off a one of your objects. That would be cool.

If I did not have any respect for you at all. I would not even take the time to
even respond. .... Who are you ? ... Where you jumping at ? ????????????
You need anything for Christmas ? Other that Santa Claus shitting you a......
Million Dollars ??? Laugh
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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I am a strong advocate for proper training and properly teaching a
Learning BASE jumper proper, Edict in how to treat a BASE object.
And I try to make a practice of using proper, Ethics.

If that's true, when why do you call people who disagree with jumping from the rail "Whiney-Ass, Fucking Pussies." ?

Why do you despise the fact that I won't buy a video that shows someone jumping from the rail? I don't think Jimmy's going to have to re-mortgage his house because he needs my $20... so whats your problem?
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Re: [KidWicked] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
man....it sure is different looking at this stuff from the outside...
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Re: [KidWicked] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
If you had read what I wrote to, Dexter on the earlier, Post You would Know.
and...You are really making me a believer in the last sentence I wrote
I Said......

" ** Dexter - the whole point of this Thread was, that I was sick of reading
another, DZcom. Thread on that damn. ..Bridge Rail.
(also) I was just board and just wanted to hear comments from all the Half-Wits.
who have never meet me or jumped with me. "
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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If you had read what I wrote to, Dexter on the earlier, Post You would Know.
and...You are really making me a believer in the last sentence I wrote
I Said......

" ** Dexter - the whole point of this Thread was, that I was sick of reading
another, DZcom. Thread on that damn. ..Bridge Rail.
(also) I was just board and just wanted to hear comments from all the Half-Wits.
who have never meet me or jumped with me. "

You were sick about reading about the rail, so you started another thread about it. Uhm, ok.
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Re: [434] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
434, i cant see the picFrown it would be werry usefull to hook up whith other jumpers,on our way in NorwayTongueCool

Ray dont you respect meMadnow im gonna kick your ass as we meet,then force you to make a jump whith me,actualy i think ill force you to buy me a beer after the jump,which i will drink as your sitting there whith your disrespect to me..

Now man up and resond to my post or i WILL take actions for your disrespectTongue

Kid,you know the word humor? i see what you say but hoonestly Ray already told he posted to stir up things...

Americans....TongueLaughSly.....
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Re: [KidWicked] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Wow....you are persistent, but I am starting to Worry.
You are following we so close, that if, I make any sudden stops.
Wink Your "Head" will be up, My..... ASS
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Re: [RayLosli] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
I wonder who will post next ? Wink
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Re: [QuickDraw] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
memememe
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Re: [jimmyh] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
All i know is that I'm glad this doesn't have anything to do with North Carolina, specifically EASTERN North CarolinaSmile
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Re: [jimmyh] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
Do you have a teaser up anywhere online we can look at before buying?
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Re: [base515] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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All i know is that I'm glad this doesn't have anything to do with North Carolina, specifically EASTERN North Carolina Smile

ya, ya wouldn't wana be part of that group eh?
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Re: [QuickDraw] " Radix " Video - Jumping off the Rail
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I wonder who will post next ? Wink

Me. Next and last.

Ray, Kidwicked, I think you guys ought to get a beer and talk about this. You'll find that you aren't really having much of a disagreement in person.

I don't think this thread is helping you reach that conclusion, though, so just in case anyone feels tempted to keep it going, I'm calling it.