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We have a helicopter coming to the dz next week and I thought it would be fun to put my Troll in to a skydiving container and do some wingsuit jumps. If I freepack the canopy in there, is there anything I need to be careful of? Or is it just a case of making 1 more fold in the canopy to get it in?

Thanks,

Gus

http://www.dropzone.com/...ing=pbla4024;#975887

D'oh, I did do a search, promise! I even posted in that thread .

Gus

dont forget the slider

besides what has the heli and your BASEcanopy together since you want to use it fr0om there?
I mean if your doing low stuff why not just use the BASE harness aswell?(thinikng if your allowed to pul low anyway..)

Do you even know what a slider is? Hehehe, thanks for the tip dude.

Mainly it's so I can fly the wingsuit lower than I would dare with my xf2. If I'm going to pay £35 for 5k I'm sure as hell going to eek out as much freefall as possible!

Gus

i soon have 2 sliders i dont know how to use

how low is low? i mean if your breaking the rules anyway,why then risk a poor packjob in a skydive container vs. a BASE harness???I mean if you dont have time to pull reserve anyway..hmm perhaps just me... i know what i would have done

Well, if you get on an aircraft with a non-TSO'd harness with no reserve (i.e. any BASE rig), that's a violation of FAA regs and the pilot can get his license revoked.

If you go on with a BASE canopy freepacked into a skydiving rig and then pull low, I don't believe there's an FAA violation, you're just breaking the BSRs, which aren't "laws" per se.

Gus isn't governed by our FARs. I'm not sure what the rules are over there, but each jumper ought to check specific rules in their own localities.

Don't get too excited, I'm not planning on smoking it down super low - but jumping the Troll should give me an extra 1k of freefall, ie 2k rather than 3k.

Gus

The BPA ops manual defines the minimum opening height for "Intermediate and Experienced Parachutists" as 2000 ft. Not sure whether that means initiating the deployment at 2k or having an open canopy at 2k.

Gus

guees same rules as in DK,which means you should have a canopy in 2k,however noone will see if you pulled in 2k or higher..

Minor correction.


And of course that only applies if you're under FAA jurisdiction.

I use the same method for folding a canopy with a tail pocket into a skydiving container for both CRW jumps and practice jumps with my BASE canopies. After you have the lines in the tail pocket grab the canopy by the tail pocket holding on to the lines where they come out of the tail pocket. This is so that the lines will not be pulled out of the tail pocket when you move the canopy. Place your other hand under the canopy towards the top to hold the packjob together while you place the canopy behind the container with the tail pocket face down in the main pack tray. The nose of the canopy will be facing up at this point. Now stow the risers and dress the nose of the canopy as you'd like. Dress the canopy to the width of the container. Fold the top of the canopy over so that it is in the main pack tray (i.e. fold the canopy in half). Now fold the canopy in half again so that it fits into the container.

Thanks Craig!

The way I was imagining doing it I'd have the tail pocket facing up in the container (as in my BASE container), do you think that makes any difference?

Gus

I read Zennie's post to refer to taking a BASE rig out of an aircraft as the potential problem here. I would be surprised if the UK would differ from the US and permit intentional parachute jumps from aircraft using BASE rigs.

Does anybody use a tailgate, or the tailgate's elastic, to hold the slider up?

Another minor correction

I've packed using both methods, but I find the way I described to be easier to control the canopy while putting it into the container. Either way will work, it just depends on which one works best for you.

The ops manual refers to having a stable, open canopy at 2k.

There may of course be exceptions to this; having to cut-away, "losing altitude awareness"...

You're right - you can't in the UK, if only because it is compulsory to use a reserve that is current (the packing cycle of the country where it was packed being respected). If not, it's the pilot that gets into trouble with the CAA (who is technically responsible for the drop) and not the jumper.

But there's nowt wrong in putting a large F-111 7 cell into a skydiving rig!

how about clipping a round reserve to the front of your BASE container?!

Anyone done this in the UK?

From Section 6 (Equipment) Para 1 (Parachutes - General) of the BPA Operations Manual



So I guess it comes down to whether the manufacturers are recognised or not?

I like the idea though, putting a belly wart on the front of Gus might be the only way I can keep up with him on his new S3!

Suppose this bit might cause an issue too.... unless you modified your harness I guess.

Eh? Well it would have to be modified with "tertiary" rings, to attach the belly mount to.

 

thats what was being said?!

Suppose I should have been a little clearer.... It says "common harness", so I was imagining that wearing a separate harness to accomodate the belly mount would not meet the requirements.

Perigee II's are available with tertiary rings for exactly this purpose.

Yes, I know, I've got one! I've never used them. I bought the container second hand and they were already fitted. Thinking about it, how would they be used? Is there any lateral connection? I remember when I started out on static-line rounds with front and back kit 1 2 the belly mount clipped laterally to rings on the harness very similar to how a tandem student harness is laterally attached to the instructors container. When a reserve is clipped on to a BASE rig, is it secured laterally? Some sort of strap?

I have jumped my Perigee Pro with a belly mount reserve hooked into the Pro's harness. There are loops on the harness which you can put a set of separable D-rings (they have a two straight bars making a slot and then a cuved bar forming the area you hook the reserve into, they came apart by screws parallel to the straight bars) through and then the lower hooks on the reserve were hooked into the hip rings. We checked that if I deployed the reserve that the attachment points were in location that would keep me upright in my harness.

This set up is not 'legal' to jump out of an aircraft in the US, since the harness is not TSO'd.

Perhaps some of the Germans can give some info here as i know they use belly reserves at some points??

Hajo were are you