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towerrat
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Why so damn expensive?
 Ok, I've been looking into a few deals here and there to make my first jump. I really won't know if it's my thing or not until I make a jump or three.
So why does it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.
Like I said, I may or may not want to continue, I really don't know until I check it out. It just seems like a lot of dough to throw away if it's not for me.
I just need a mentor, but it seems everyone is out to make a bunch of money.....maybe it's just me.
leroydb
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
is this a troll? I mean your name is "tower"rat
towerrat
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Re: [leroydb] Why so damn expensive?
no, I'm a skydiver with over 500 jumps, and have been on these forums for quite some time. Feel free to search my posts. I go by Towerrat because I have been in the cell tower business for several years.
leroydb
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ah my, my appoligies
Zennie
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Yo Rat, are you wanting to do an A jump first or are you planning on going to Bridge Day?

Bridge Day is a very good way to test the waters to see if BASE is for you, and you can usually borrow or rent gear.

I know Vertigo rents gear for Bridge Day.
NickDG
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
Put it into perspective . . .

The learn as you go method of yesteryear was free, very exciting, full of discovery, often painful, and too often deadly. I loved those days, but wouldn’t want to re-live them, nor see anyone else go through that plaster learning curve. I used to strut like John Travolta and now I waddle like Elmer Fudd.

Also, think about why you want to BASE jump.

If you didn’t have an involuntary instantaneous attraction to BASE the first time you saw it, didn’t say to yourself, “Man, that’s for me,” and don’t find BASE overwhelming your everyday thoughts, then think harder about it. I’m not sure even one BASE jump, just to see if it’s for you, is worth the risk.

You asked, “So why does it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.” Well, there are many answers to that question and 80 of them are here:

http://www.basefatalities.info/

Now, the following advice may seem way overcautious, but here it is. Go to Bridge Day this October, but don’t jump. Just lurk it. Spend a few hours on the bridge and a few hours in the landing area. Attend the video fest and the after-party, maybe even help out here and there. You’ll enjoy yourself and learn much.

Finding/deciding on a BASE mentor will be easier, as you can meet many of them at Bridge Day, maybe even work a bit of a deal with one. Lastly a mentor will be more willing to go out of the way to help you if, rather than the way you presented yourself in your post, you have the BASE fire shooting out of your eyeballs . . .

Edited: Look me up at BD, if you do come.

Nick Smile
BASE 194
NeilQ
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So why does it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.

You don't have to spend anywhere near that my friend, For just 110 of your US dollars you can fast track and experience all the fun of BASE jumping here!

http://www.dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread

Remember to get on the sunbed first so you don't look so pasty in hospital Tongue
BASE813
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Ok, I've been looking into a few deals here and there to make my first jump. I really won't know if it's my thing or not until I make a jump or three.
So why does it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.
Like I said, I may or may not want to continue, I really don't know until I check it out. It just seems like a lot of dough to throw away if it's not for me.
I just need a mentor, but it seems everyone is out to make a bunch of money.....maybe it's just me.


I sold my skydiving gear and travelled from the UK to ID and got into about £5000 ($7,500ish) worth of debt to make my first stinking jump without knowing if it was for me...... I think its called effort and dedication and sacrifice to get something I wanted................
What do you want, someone to hold your fucking hand, pay for you and at the same time spread jam on it?

if you want something bad enough you will do anything to get it.................
towerrat
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Re: [BASE813] Why so damn expensive?
whoa holmes,
I asked a simple question, and a legitimate one. I don't need you jumping my shit just so you can sound cool to your online buddies. Answer the question like a human or shut the fuck up.
I'll tell what, I've seen a lot of attitude from this section of this site. You guys are no cooler than anyone else.
GET OVER YOURSELF!
towerrat
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
PS: Thanks for everyone elses courteous replies.
Faber
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duude,perhaps you should read it all again...
I know he did write it in an slightly agressive tone,but he has a hard time right now.

What he were upset about were that some of you guys from US that lives in the land of opertunetyes somtimes expect at you get somthing special.

People from all over the worl travel to US to pay the same amount of mony as you should,plus their travel.now go calculate and look at your own budget..stop crying over small mony to save your life.how much do you pay to skydive?

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I don't need you jumping my shit just so you can sound cool to your online buddies. Answer the question like a human or shut the fuck up.
so who are trying to look cooler right now?perhaps you should start your self beeing human when you ask others about the sameWink

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I'll tell what, I've seen a lot of attitude from this section of this site
welcome,if you dont like it .... ...Smile

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You guys are no cooler than anyone else.
huh??? we are WAY WAY cooler thats why you want to stick arroundTongue

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GET OVER YOURSELF!
sorry i preffere womenLaugh

he he sorry just had to make fun about your post before anyone else,i need to sound cool to my online buddyes and get my ego backTongueLaugh

to get back to the tread,if you dont like the mony thing why dont you just find a mentor and ask him to teach you?just an idea...
Faber
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Thanks for everyone elses courteous replies
your welcomeWink
FIREFLYR
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whoa holmes,
I asked a simple question, and a legitimate one. I don't need you jumping my shit just so you can sound cool to your online buddies. Answer the question like a human or shut the fuck up.
I'll tell what, I've seen a lot of attitude from this section of this site. You guys are no cooler than anyone else.
GET OVER YOURSELF!

--Never Pet A Burning Towerrat--LaughLaughLaugh

Had to.
Checkout JohnnyUtah.com less expensive, great experience.
~J
base283
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
Umm, maybe some consider it an insult when you call it a stinkin´ jump. What 813 and Nick D said has a lot of weight. 813 asks a valid question. Nick D makes some valid points. No one owes you anything. ya gotta earn it. It is perfectly acceptable to go out and repioneer the sport on your own. To learn from your own mistakes instead of others. I´ve known persons that did it and never spent another unit of currency. They probaly saved millions. But the cost of saving that FJC money cost them dearly. If the cost of a FJC seems prohibitive to you then it (FJC) probaly is working as it is designed to.
Assess your motives.
take care,
space
towerrat
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Re: [base283] Why so damn expensive?
No one owes you anything.
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I never said anyone owes me anything. My question is valid. It cost me right around $1200 for AFF. Those costs include instructor fees, gear rental,jump tickets, video, etc.
I can climb a tower for free. I still don't see where the cost comes from. I understand the need for a ground school, that's fine, gear rental, ok, but I'm not paying for an airplane, insurance, fuel,bunk houses, or any other of the hundreds of associated costs of running a DZ.
So, I'll ask nicely one more time.
Why does it cost $1200 bucks for a BASE FJC?

Edit: I also had the option to make my first AFF jump and not proceed. That first jump surely would not have cost me $1200
QuickDraw
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
Taken from the BR website.

In reply to:
BASE Training & FAQ
BR BASE Training Courses (Now in it's 9th year)
The BR course is an introductory course in BASE jumping. The program is normally three days in duration and held at various BASE sites around the world. During the warmer months training is conducted at the xxxxxxx xxxxxx (486 feet over water). Evenings are spent on BASE packing and rigging. The course makes use of BRs large pool of BASE video and classes are taught by Anne Helliwell, Todd Shoebotham, Jim Jennings, and Karen Thomas. This is a rigorous course of instruction so come prepared to work. These courses are very popular and we ask you to schedule well in advance. Note: There are sometimes openings at the last moment.
Karin Sako BASE packing

The Schedule:

Friday - First Jump Course theory, Practice launches, Walk landing area, Prepare equipment

Saturday - Jump, pack, debrief............. Jump, pack, debrief............. Jump, pack, debrief.............

Sunday - Jump, pack, debrief............. Jump, pack, debrief.............



BASE Course Topics Include:
- Launch Mechanics
- Site Analysis
- Weather Considerations
- Packing and Rigging
- Slider Removed Jumping
- Gear Maintenance
- The Line-Over Modification
- How to Prevent Malfunctions
- BASE Ethics
- Plus Much More

Requirements . . .
Have made at least 150 parachute jumps and be 18 years of age, or older. A $400 deposit is required.

Payment . . .
The cost of the training is $1100 U.S. Dollars. BASE equipment required to complete the course is provided.

FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
Question - I've already made a few BASE jumps, would I benefit from your course?
Answer - Yes. Many who have already BASE jumped take the course. Most say it's because they feel lacking in required BASE knowledge.

Question - What's with this 150 jump thing? I have fifty skydives and want to BASE jump real bad!
Answer - Sorry, you can "not" attend a BR course until you have 150 jumps. The reason is while some develop the awareness level for BASE jumping earlier, the number 150 is a recognized BASE industry standard that we follow.

Question - How many jumps will I make during the course?
Answer - This depends on the size of the class, the site we are using, and the weather conditions. Most students leave the class with an average of 3-4 low altitude freefalls.

Question - Why only legal objects in your courses?
Answer - Basic Research supports legal BASE jumping.

Question - How will I actually begin my BASE jumping?
Answer - After repeated ground practice at launching (sometimes we use a swimming pool) your first jumps will be via pilot chute assist. This means you will launch from the bridge or balloon using BR's state of the art equipment while we are holding your pilot chute. You will continue to do this until you demonstrate a stable launch and deployment sequence.

Question - Okay, I've done the stable launches, now what.
Answer - The next series of jumps will be freefalls while hand holding your own pilot chute. You can now make as many freefalls as time and conditions permit.


Question - I've finished the course. I'm now a full fledged BASE jumper ready for anything. Right?
Answer - Wrong! Basic Research provides this service to educate it's customers on the use of Basic Research equipment. We also hope you come away from the course with a realistic idea of your abilities and use that knowledge to pick and choose the BASE jumps you make.

Question - After the course, does Basic Research offer any other instruction?
Answer - Yes, we schedule three or four mini-training camps each year that are open only to our course graduates. These trips are to some of the most popular BASE sites in the world. This allows for a fun and educational trip for all involved and these camps keep you current on the latest in BASE technology.

They could make skydiving cheaper by binning the AFF course... but do you think you would be a poorer skydiver for it ?

Your paying to be taught by the people who are at the leading edge of the sport,
i wouldn't like to think how much it would cost to book Omar & Olav for 3 days intensive coaching.

I hope that goes some way to answering your question. Smile
leroydb
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
as I am a newbie base jumper, take this with a grain of salt...

Even with aff, most of the money goes to the instructors for all the time, money, and dedication that they have put into the sport.

Sure you can climb a tower for free, or get a friend to give you a FJC. But there-in lies the problem. Finding someone to do it for you. The reason he charges "so much" is for his time, money, and dedication that he is giving/sharing with you. Also remember that you are not reinventing the wheel with him either. You are avoiding the old outdate gear/ techniques of the old days that have killed our brothers and sisters.

You can also set a time and date with him. It is alot more slow going if you have a buddy give you a FJC. I am sure this guy could do it for "free", but this is one of the ways he supports himself.

Hope this makes sense and does not come across in an other than nice way
PoeticDelirium
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
I don't mean to be a prick by saying it this way, but...

If you had to go to court, you could either spend $1500 an hour to hire the best law firm in town, or you could probably get legal aid for free.

Who's more likely to win your case?

Every penny that I spent on my base FJC was well worth it, and I would have spent twice as much. The training has already saved my life.
pringles
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Like fireflyr suggests check out Johnnys course. You will get more than just one jump. Plus it looks like you will get the video that your talking about. As far as the course goes, most courses are not held in the back yard of the person giving the course. So guess what. They either have to fly or drive to where the course is. Then they have to get a room. They also have to get some food. They also can supply gear. I can't imagine it is very cost effective for them to just have that many rigs just lying around when not in use. So the next point would be that a base course isn't just held every weekend. I would assume that your aff was offered every weekend and during the week weather permitting. I bet those aff rigs pay themselves off a lot quicker. So believe me no one is getting super rich off these ventures. Read this post to help get an Idea of what can be offered at a base course. It sounds to me like this course may be right up your ally. http://dropzone.com/...rum.cgi?post=1099413 One last thing I have to say is that I didn't think I had the money when I started out either. But guess what, you can make it happen if you want it. Believe me you will end up spending just as much money on this sport if not more than skydiving. So if you think it is a cheap alternative think again.
base283
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
In a nutshell, You are paying to learn how not to die while having fun. If this aspect is not so important to you then maybe you should not partake in a FJC. You get exactly what you pay for. How much would you pay to learn how not to make deadly mistakes? When one pays for a FJC one is paying for the chance to learn from the professionals in the sport. There are not so many available students to support these professionals, so the cost reflects it. They need an income also.
AFAIK, cost has never deterred anyone from anything that they heartily wanted to do. For me, BASE jumping has proved that "impossible" is only an opinion. That in itself is priceless.
take care,
space
badenhop
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Re: free?
About a dozen years ago I heard a comment, something like; "yeah, BASE is cool 'cuz it's free"! "No planes, no manifest, just climb up and jump off".
BASE has been one of the most expensive "free" things I've ever done.
You get what you pay for Mr. Tower Rat.
Quality goods are usually not free, and free goods are usually not quality.
Where do you want your money to go? To a good instructor, or a good surgeon? Now that's not to say that even with good instruction you may not eventually give some of your money to a surgeon. If you need a surgeon, which do you prefer, the bargain guy, or the expensive expert?
towerrat
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badenhop
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If you don't want to risk your money, maybe you should not risk your life.
The111
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It's called a free market economy. Why does anything cost what it costs? Because buyers and sellers agree on the price.

If this seems over simple, I'm sorry. But it's true. You're never going to make sense of prices by trying to find out where every penny goes. If there is a market willing to pay the going rate, the sales will be made. Those who don't want to pay it, will find another way. Which you could easily do. Smile

And as little as I do know about BASE, I know it's not an "assembly line" business... i.e. they're not training students left and right and getting rich off the whole thing. If prices are higher than skydiving, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that they're not dealing in nearly as high a volume.
nigelslee
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Zennie
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I don't necesarily know if I want to make five or ten jumps.

Again, if you're not sure, I would strongly recommend attending Bridge Day.

As far as why FJCs cost so much, aside from what other folks have said, I'd point out that all but Johnny's courses are offered by manufacturers. So the time they're spending teaching you is time spent away from making rigs. Not to mention travel, lodging, meals, supplying student rigs. They have to make a living too.

Also, there is a SUBSTANTIAL exposure to legal liability that a person assumes when they take on a student... waiver or no waiver.

I honestly think that the FJCs are very REASONABLY priced taking everything into consideration.

You don't get something for nothing. And like Avery notes, I've blown a substantial amount of money in this "free" sport. Rigs, travel, safety equipment, etc.
QuickDraw
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Re: [nigelslee] Why so damn expensive?
I never actually saw the joke there until it was pointed out. Wink

It's an honour to have a post replied to by you too. Smile
badenhop
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Re: last moment opening
lol - that is funny
How much is a last moment opening worth?
BASE813
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
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whoa holmes,
I asked a simple question, and a legitimate one. I don't need you jumping my shit just so you can sound cool to your online buddies. Answer the question like a human or shut the fuck up.
I'll tell what, I've seen a lot of attitude from this section of this site. You guys are no cooler than anyone else.
GET OVER YOURSELF!

You obviously dont know me then............

IF my style of writting offends you, then I am so sorry......... but it does not get away from what I was saying...... No one knows if BASE is for them when they start out, its impossible to know how you will react to BASE, alot of people have sacrificed alot to get into the sport "safely"........ too many people are heard to say "I want to....." but never make the effort or expect it on a fucking plate for them.........

I hope this is a more pleasing read for you...

Get over myself? huh! I am sat recovering from a fucking injury I certainly dont need you to try and humble me! Unimpressed

Fucks sake...........
CanuckInUSA
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Before you ask if paying a bunch of $$$ for a FJC is too much? You need to ask yourself if BASE jumping is something you want to do, period. BASE jumping is not like skydiving and BASE jumping is not safe. But it sure can be as dangerous as you want to make it. Shocked

It sounds like you need to attend a Bridge Day event and hopefully get a jump or two in. BASE jumping is a blast, but it's dangerous. The decision to make a BASE jump is not one to be taken lightly. And the decision to get into BASE requires even more thought and for certain dedication towards learning. If BASE is something you want to do, you'll find a way to do it.

I recently took one of those FJCs and I am happy with the instruction that I received. Was it perfect? No ... but it was an introduction to the sport and so far (knock on wood) with the information the instructors taught me and the info I've personally researched, I've managed to make a bunch of jumps since my FJC and have improved my skill and experience in the sport immensly. But to me the key was the fact that I had certain BASE jumping goals before I even made my first jump. And part of those goals were to spend time jumping the same very legal span that many of the FJCs will take you. You see every day is Bridge Day for the fine folks who get to jump in Idaho. But if Idaho is too far ... just know that it takes myself and my friends 10 hours each way to drive there from where we live. So to me, I didn't just sink $1200 on a FJC, I made a financial commitment towards gear, gas, food, lodging and let's not forget to include some money for partying on not only the past trips I have made, but also the trips to come.

BASE jumping is not safe, nor is it cheap.
evilivan
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
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So why does it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.

Lots of good replies, but want to add this:

How much is your life worth dude....?

I think the whole cost thing boils down to this (other then the very pertinent market economy comment further up this thread): personal risk.

With skydiving there are regulatory bodies that have utilised the past 50 years of skydiving experience (OK, perhaps a small pinch of salt here) to come with programmes of instruction and BSRs in order to make the jumping as safe as possible. The limits laid down in the BSRs (wind speed / opening altitude / etc / etc / etc) take away much of the responsibility for your safety from the instructor (note: I am comparing skydiving instruction with BASE instruction here - obviously skydiving instructors still carry a LOT of responsibility).

When you go and do a BASE course, the instructors are pretty much responsible for you - other then the obvious "this is your choice and your decision" stuff of course - and take it on themselves to make all the right judgements about your safety and ability, usually based on no previous knowledge of your ability, in a very unforgiving environment.

How much would you charge if someone asked you to be fully responsible for their safety? You are paying for their willingness to take you on, and their experience, not for Jet A and insurance premiums.

I was in the same position as you this time last year; I had been thinking about BASE for a long time but still couldn't say if it was for me, so had to go and do at least one jump to find out. I paid my money, did my jump(s), did several more jumps, broke my leg (on a jump), will probably still do several more jumps; and I still can't tell you if BASE is for me.

Question is not how much it costs, but do you want to try it or not?

Ahhh..... 2AM on a school night, with my friend Stella Tongue
Rauk
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I didn't know either, but still took a course, payed the money, drove to spudland in November through sleet, snow, and Wyoming wind, not knowing if I would even like it. Something told me I needed to do it, so I did. I guess you have to ask yourself if you really want it, and more importantly WHY you want it, then set your priorities to fit the lifestyle you choose. It isn't about money, in my opinion, it's about what you want, not what it will cost you. In another perspective, say you did ONE jump, say it was free even, but you pigged in on a low turn into a bad landing area and broke some bones, how much do you think that will cost you (not necessarily on the money side of things either)? It's all about what is worth it to you.
Soft landings
towerrat
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Re: [Rauk] Why so damn expensive?
Thanks to all those who gave intelligent replies.....
I'll sleep on it.
freeflyguy
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Re: [QuickDraw] Why so damn expensive?
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It's an honour to have a post replied to by you too.

Yeah, Nigel, nice to see you post, but tell us, since your profile doesn't reveal it, What is your BASS number?

Laugh

Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

TowerDude, if you want to do it once, then go to Potato land with somebody that knows what they are doing, knows how to teach, has the gear, and likes you enough to put you off the rail. That's a taste of it.

If, after that, you want to continue, then go for the full course. And yeah then the money for it is totally worth it, because they don't just teach you how to get off that bridge, but they try to teach you to be a BASE jumper.

The guy that put me off the Potato bridge knows what he is doing, builds one of the best rigs "not" on the market, jumped by some "world class" people, but...

His first jump, was on a rig he built, off a bridge with a sketch landing, and none of us would go with him, because we didn't want to see him die. He did great, but that is the kind of experience you will get if you don't have a great BASE friend, or aren't willing to pony up the money to pay for real instruction.
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nigelslee
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BASE813
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Nigel Slee...............If you dont know, then you dont know.........
mucho respect man............You new US guys maybe should think outside the US box................

Nuff respect................






Wink
towerrat
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Re: [Treejumps] Why so damn expensive?
gee, Mark, that was just a little unnecessary, don't you think.It's attitudes like yours that make me want to stay away from base jumpers in general. I came on this forum and asked a simple, straightforward question. I never said I was to good for a FJC, nor did I say, that I wouldn't take one. I simply stated that there is the real possibility that after having committed a large sum of money that pays for a bunch of jumps, I may only make one.
I've gotten some really good responses from a lot of people on these forums. Yours is not one of them,
so shut your hole.
Zennie
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It's attitudes like yours that make me want to stay away from base jumpers in general.

One of the other prerequisites for being a BASE jumper is having a thick skin. We don't tend to sugar-coat things too much.

But look at the bright side... you'll always know where folks are coming from. Wink
Faber
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it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.
if its stinkin dont jump,that will then only cost you 1200$,but theres no stinkin..

sorry dude this aint the normal playground you play in,thouse people who does instruct in these FJC aint to blame if 1 stinkin student only wants to do 1 jump,they need to learn the student exact the same as if he wanted more.

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it seems everyone is out to make a bunch of money.....
sounds like your a person that dont give anything out free your self.

sorry but i really think its stupied to discus this.If you think you can enter a new hobby/sport for no costs then rethink.People are using more mony on BASE than you would imagine,if some of thouse oldtimers whith knowledged learned over time,effort,injuryes and the loss of dear freinds will teach you, you just should be happy that they are out there taking care of newbies,making sure that people enter such a dangerus sport in a way as safe as posible..
BASE813
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gee, Mark, that was just a little unnecessary, don't you think.It's attitudes like yours that make me want to stay away from base jumpers in general. I came on this forum and asked a simple, straightforward question. I never said I was to good for a FJC, nor did I say, that I wouldn't take one. I simply stated that there is the real possibility that after having committed a large sum of money that pays for a bunch of jumps, I may only make one.
I've gotten some really good responses from a lot of people on these forums. Yours is not one of them,
so shut your hole.


now re-read my post and tell me your retort was justified.................

was I so wrong or so rude?
BASE813
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Re: [Faber] Why so damn expensive?
in the end, people compare the cost with skydiving, well seeing as its nothing like skydiving why bother comparing the cost................ I want to hang glide, but would I say "it costs the same as an AFF course so I dont know if I want to do it?" no........... i pay the money and take the course and find out if its for me!!

again I will say (offending people of course) - FOR FUCKS SAKE!
Treejumps
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Faber
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I've gotten some really good responses from a lot of people on these forums. Yours is not one of them,
so shut your hole.
I think he is way funny what about you shut yours... looks like you write that each time some one dont respond to you as your pleased...

I guess BASE just aint your game,use your mony somewere else..

Who is Neigel from UKSlyLaugh i dont think you introdused me Mac.... I guess he is as wrong as evryone else from UKTongue´(now heal up so we can have some fun again,and please learn Ivan to drink whith out getting hangoverLaugh)

Niegel,i love your cliffTongue
Zennie
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I want to hang glide, but would I say "it costs the same as an AFF course so I dont know if I want to do it?" no........... i pay the money and take the course and find out if its for me!!

Maybe the time is ripe for BASE tandems to go mainstream. You know... let folks drop oh... I dunno... $25 or so, strap 'em on, huck off a nice 300-footer. If they like it, they can then rent gear and enter an ABN (Accellerated BASE Number) program.

Think of the possibilities! The BASE tandem business alone could be a cash cow. Throw camera people in and make cool videos with cool music (like Tom Petty's "Freefallin'"). As they get near the top scream as loud as we can "ARE YOU READY TO BASE JUMP?????"

We could set up slick advertising campaigns and a 1-800-FLICK-IT phone network.

We'd have to start bumping people off our elevator loads to make room for the BASE tandem business. That might kind of suck, but think of how much MONEY we could make!

That's it, I'm calling my financial planner right now....
BASE813
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Mr Rat, you seem like a real nancy boy. With all of this whining about having to pay to do a FJC, it seems my advice would have been well taken. But no you just keep crying about anything related to base. I really don't think you have it in you. Anyone who really wants to do base will get it done, with or without a fjc. You just don't want it very badly and no one is going to spoon feed it to you.

You did not ask a simple question, you came on and cried about having to pay sooooo much money to make one "stinkin" jump. Pay up, or shut up, or go do it on your own. As I mentioned before, if you had anything going for you someone would help you make one pro bono. But all you do is whine and cry, "but I wanna make a base jump" (hands and feet punching and kicking the air, tears streaming down your face.....I wanna jump, I don't wan't to pay, and nobody will take me out....MOM, MAKE THEM PLAY WITH ME!

Now quit your crying and take action. You can 1. Pay to play. 2. Be cool and someone will help you. 3. Do it on your own. Make your choice and do it, or go back to the dz.

Run along now. Good boy.

GO ON TOWER RAT - RESPOND WITH THE SAME SHIT TO TREE AS YOU RESPONDED TO ME - SAME THOUGHTS DIFFERENT WAY -


You said it to me now say it to him............. apparently he needs to stop trying to look cool to his online friends and he needs to get over himself!
CanuckInUSA
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Re: [Zennie] Why so damn expensive?
LOL ... good one with the accelerated BASE number through tandems. Wink But first before we go mainstream with the BASE tandem business, I think we need a tanning saloon to start offering static line BASE jumps to the whuffos using old military rounds. Wink
towerrat
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BASE813
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Go on "Mr Tree"........... get over youself and stop trying to show off................. Tongue

Towerrat, if you had any idea................ Unsure


again I will say "fucks sake"..................

dont ignore the other responses tha offend you TR, they can be helpful too!
chachi
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Re: [BASE813] Why so damn expensive?
I think as a community we need to begin to be a little more respectful of people coming here and asking legitimate questions. Towerrat came here and asked some questions and when he was given non sarcastic good information he thanked the sources and respected that information. When he was given some plainly mean responses and reacted in kind. Then he is berrated for responding exactly how he was talked to. COme on guys, remember what your mom's taught you, if you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all, because I don't want you guys to be the spoksman of our sport with the attitude. No wonder people see us as criminals and jackasses. Nothing in mr. towerrats posts asked for answers like he was given. Read through it again and check it out. Just an idea.

~Chachi

PS, if you are going plan to berrate me for thinking we should be more respedctful of people don't bother, I won't be coming back here to argue with anyone.
Faber
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Re: [chachi] Why so damn expensive?
you know after a few post i hooked up into myself and started to read from the begining.
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Ok, I've been looking into a few deals here and there to make my first jump. I really won't know if it's my thing or not until I make a jump or three.
So why does it cost $1200 to make 1 stinkin' jump.
Like I said, I may or may not want to continue, I really don't know until I check it out. It just seems like a lot of dough to throw away if it's not for me.
I just need a mentor, but it seems everyone is out to make a bunch of money.....maybe it's just me.
perhaps he would have got better respond if he didnt wrote that way from the start.

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if you are going plan to berrate me for thinking we should be more respedctful of people don't bother, I won't be coming back here to argue with anyone.
we all have our opinions and all make our choices.
I respect you for your choices. As long you respect mine aswellSmile
skydonkey
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
Hmmm, you bitch about people not replying nice to your 'reasonable' question?

Kind of like this guy,

http://www.dropzone.com/...post=1200168#1200168

Oh , wait a minute....Unimpressed
skreamer
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Re: [Treejumps] Why so damn expensive?
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hands and feet punching and kicking the air, tears streaming down your face.....I wanna jump, I don't wan't to pay, and nobody will take me out....MOM, MAKE THEM PLAY WITH ME!

I think I can now see where I've been going wrong on all my dates... Blush

Back on topic : like Mac, I had to pay about $1 000 just to get to TF for a FJC. Couldn't afford car-hire so was walking from Motel 6 (eating breakfast at the Shilo. Cool). One year later I'm still in debt but am ordering a second BASE rig anyway. I think the only time you are really going to get sympathy from BASE jumpers regarding money is when it concerns medical bills.

Tell you what, pay the money for the FJC and if you truthfully feel afterwards that it wasn't worth it (even if you do just one jump) then I will refund you the full amount. All I'll require from you is video taken just after you have landed saying that what you just did was not worth $1 200. **

Will

** You would be tied for fifth in my list of creditors so I'd probably have to write you into my will. Wink
base283
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Re: [chachi] Why so damn expensive?
Umm, he dissed us first with his "stinkin´" remark IMHO.
I think as an individual one needs to be a little more respectful of the community when coming here to asking legitimate questions. Check your baggage at the door.
take care,
space

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I think as a community we need to begin to be a little more respectful of people coming here and asking legitimate questions.
Faber
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Re: [skreamer] Why so damn expensive?
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Tell you what, pay the money for the FJC and if you truthfully feel afterwards that it wasn't worth it (even if you do just one jump) then I will refund you the full amount. All I'll require from you is video taken just after you have landed saying that what you just did was not worth $1 200. **
could you do the same for meAngelic i mean... i could use the trip and really need to learn how to packSlyLaugh

if it helps ill bring your gear home for free thenTongue
907
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Re: [nigelslee] Why so damn expensive?
Quite interesting question. As U probably know we have a lot of local jumpers in Norway. There is some kind of schooling in Kjerrag, but thats all. I do not know one norwegian jumper that has taken part in any kind of a organised base-course. As far as I`m concerned we just have a small "community" helping each other in the right direction....

But I guess it is special to be norwegian, we have a LOT of high mountains and probably the best sky-divers (possible recruts) in the world commpared to the inhabitants.

Is there any scientific figures/statistics that shows that the courses are helpful ?

Concerning the attitude of this thread, I`m NOT taking any part, just telling my experience and asking a question.

Have a good one....
base283
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You should ask The SBK! At least one of them who is a powerful member took a course. As for Statisics, there is nothing to compare it to as it was basically a first of it´s kind thingy. As for statistics, it is very difficult to determine the ratio of say Sabre/Stilletto jumpers that were convinced to jump BASE gear, probaly saving there lives, compared to those who did every thing right and still died because one only hears of the ones who died and not the ones who lived. Not all need instruction. But Death is a sure way to figure it out is it not?
take care,
space

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I do not know one norwegian jumper that has taken part in any kind of a organised base-course.
Is there any scientific figures/statistics that shows that the courses are helpful ?
907
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Re: [base283] Why so damn expensive?
Ok, I was wrong, there is at least ONE norwegian jumper that has completed a course. Sorry for missleading the readers......

Nevertheless its quite obivious, those who are holding the courses will of course, justify the costs. Everybody who has done anything with sales/marketing know the mechanisms of pricing in highly specialiced markeds.

I also guess most of us intend to justify our choices (taking a FJC), at least official.

Nobody knew less than he who thought......

Have a good one...
leroydb
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Re: [chachi] Why so damn expensive?
i agree... yes there are those that need to be talked to harshly, but I remember someone saying we are all ambasadors of this sport, newbie or old fart...
LouYoung
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Re: [towerrat] Why so damn expensive?
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This is my point. I don't necesarily know if I want to make five or ten jumps. I may, and if so, that's great.

If you don't know, then you don't want to jump. Easily solved.