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Hey everybody-

I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but we have more burning happening at the Perrine.

On Sunday, July 25th, JT Holmes jumped with a buddies surfboard. He did a floater exit and upon the opening of the canopy he lost the board. This act is bad in itself, but to add to the danger, there were three boats coming up the river when this all happened. If JT had waited a few more seconds, one of the innocent by-standers could have been seriously injured.

I ask for your help in the fight to stop the burning.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Meghan

 

Good Lord not again...

OK JT, let's hear your side of this.

JT

Stop being a dumbass. That bridge is going away if people like you don't quit being so fucking arrogant. Come on man. I don't have the means to just find a new place to jump, nor do most of the folks that jump at the Perrine.

<edit: personal attack ~TA> Oops that was a personal attack, I'll rephrase.

Actually, no I won't.

There's more but I'm at work.

Tim

Hi I'm JT - I think I'm the shit therefore I do as I please. Karma is going to be a bitch man. I simply cannot stand people with that type of attitude, "I'm accomplished therefore the rules don't apply to me". Quite frankly, I know people with a tenth of the number of base jumps that you have JT that are on an order of magnitude more respectful. Grow the fuk up and start taking responsibility for your actions.

How many jumps do you think JT has?

Good question - I'm assuming by watching some of their video and seeing some of the advanced aerials that all of the said jumpers have quite a bit of experience. I would never try half of that shit without at least a hundred under my belt. That's just me though, perhaps I like life.

You know what happens when you assume things.

As Tree noted, many of those aerials are easily recognizable to experienced BASE aerialists as (what was Dwain's phrase? ah, yes) "flailing BASE gainers" or derivatives thereof.

Very few Americans are really doing good, precise aerials (the man in black is a notable exception). You have to find Aussies for that.

Yah I hear that - my wife was an olympic caliber gymnast - I show her alot of these videos and all she does is shake her head at how close they come to really screwing things up...

<edit: I know that was meant in fun, since you weigh all of what? 90 pounds, but I'm trying to remove the threats from this thread. ~TA>

 

I'll make sure to get it on film.

.......as much as I hate to say it, based on the content of this thread, I can't help myself....:

Talking of rules, both site naming and personal attacks are here. They are not in the rules.

As a caveat: I agree with everything said about this seemingly selfish behaviour, for totally selfish reasons; I want to jump this object one day. Please try and apply your motives for doing the (against the rules) things you do to all the other BASE jumpers out here....

Edited for purely poo grammer

And you are not a moderator.
....

There used to be a phone number several of you may be interested in.

<edit: Let's not do that. If you want to use PM's or IM or email, have at it. I'd prefer to keep people's phone numbers off the forum unless they want to give it out themselves. ~TA>

It just might be the cell number that belongs to the subject of this thread.

Working on it bro, working on it. Slowly slowly catchy monkey

And remember everyone...

Pay phones are your friend.

Yah - so are collect calls

For legal sites, would it be possible to establish some sort of local licensing to use the object, with the license fees going to local emergency crews? Anyone who does something stupid can have their site license revoked and not be eligible to jump there again.

Good idea in theory, but people like JT would then just bandit jump it.

Yeah, but then they'd be open to fines and gear confiscation just like from any other illegal site or like they would be if the site was burned for everyone. The idea would be to give the local fuzz an option over an all or nothing site ban.

I'm not saying the idea is perfect, I was just curious if it's been done or tried.

I'd really like to take my FJC at this site next spring and it would suck if it was closed down for legal jumping because of a few guys screwing off.

Yes. There has been some discussion of this with the state agency that regulates wilderness guides and outfitters. I, for one, hope it doesn't come to that.

If you review the "before you post" guidelines above, you'll see that I specifically enumerated two examples of site names that would be allowed to stay. They are the bridge in Idaho and the cliff near Stavanger. I think I explained my reasoning there, but if it's not clear enough, start a separate thread and we'll discuss it.

Thanks!

Attention all:

This thread has plenty of personal attacks (I'm working on editing), and some threats of physical violence.

Let's please keep those off this forum.

Thanks!

Actually I don't think you're idea would work. Just as Americans cherish their freedom, BASE jumpers cherish the fact that there is no governing body. I trust BASE jumpers are capable of policing themselves and you are seeing some evidence of this right now. So far the tar and feathers haven't been used in these recent incidents, but don't be surprised if they do get broken out if the guilty people continue to thumb their noses at the people telling them to stop. Already one of the guilty parties (who jumped from the rail) at the Perrine has publicly stated that they know they did wrong and that they won't do it again (and time will tell as to whether or not they are honest with these statements). But forming a governing agency to oversee BASE jumping just isn't going to happen.

Let's be smart out there people. My future, your future and the future of those who have yet to huck themselves off this span in potato land depends on everyone living within the rules that the good people of Twin Falls Idaho have asked us to follow. If you want to break the rules, then do it from an already illegal site. Let's not jeopardize the gift that the good people of Twin Falls Idaho have given us.

Oh and if common sense doesn't convince the guilty people to stop their antics, then we need to sick Britney and Meghan on them. You've got to believe that these two girls can do some damage on them.

JT,
You are selfish and disrespectful. Also, you are dishonest. The following is a quote from you while you were trying to cover your sorry-ass after the last time you were caught trying to burn our precious object.
JT, you are not a polite and respectful ambassador to the sport. You disgrace the BASE community by being unethical and flagrantly disobeying very simple rules. I would be interested to hear your definition of "good person."

In all seriousness, what could possibly make you think that jumping with a surf board was a good idea, especially with boats beneath the bridge?

Meghan: Thanks for keeping us updated. I appreciate how much you support the BASE community, you are an asset to have at the Perrine.

Katie.

You know I was sitting here thinking of the girls we could sick on the guilty people and I how could I have forgotten you ... Katie-Monster. Hope to see you out there soon Katie. I've been back several times since Memorial Day and for sure plan on being there for Labor Day.

So let's sick Britney, Meghan and Katie on the guilty people.

 

But if it keeps the sight open, especially for new jumpers wouldn't it be worth it.

How can we hope that other legal sites can be opened (National Parks) if we can't distance ourselves from rogue jumpers.
I like the bandit jumps just as much as the next guy (or gal) but I would not risk getting a legal site shut down to try a new trick.

My 2 cents

As a last resort... yes.

But the BASE community has always taken pride in it's ability to regulate itself. And it has done so quite effectively on occasion. I'd really like to keep it in the family, so to speak.

Oh Brother!
Let's give the USPA a call and see if they'll take the job of regulating BASE jumping on...

Regaulation is not the answer...

mh

If no organization is going to police us, we must police ourselves. I don't think we're policing ourselves very well if all we do is complain here.....actions speak louder than words.

Perrine has been jumped previously by other BASE jumpers with skyboards safely (RS, DW)....i.e. experienced aerialists, BASE specific boards, proper bindings etc.

I believe these jumps can still be made safely and in a low profile manner (i.e. below the rail, no media, no F/U attitude)

Just because JT can't pull it off....don't ban those that can.

Us looking out for ourselves is not regulation--If it is, then I'm wrong. What I mean is, I vote for the ATL crew's type of regulation [read: JV].

mh

Say the word and I'll call Avis for a van.

Anyone that has JT's contact info (email, home address etc.), could you please PM me - I'm trying to get in contact with him. thx!

Update:

Meghan, JT and I had a nice talk today. I think things will calm down a bit. I could be proven wrong, but I think we'll do ok.

Regarding the surfboard jump: JT says that he did look for traffic below before jumping. He was apparently trying to jump the surfboard down, holding it between his legs. Not the brightest idea (he knows that, I think), but I don't think it was particularly malicious. In short, it sounded to me more like foolishness than arrogance.

At any rate, I'd appreciate if we knocked off the threats and attacks at this point.

Thanks!

Sorry Tom i dont get you here,should people calm down becourse you had a nice chat to thouse people??Sorry were talking about burning objects here and people keep doing it,i guess if you can say that it stops by this then yes things will calm down after a bit,but the fact is that we already got bad attention to the spot...People cant just ignore that becourse you guys had a nice chat..

If thouse people agree to stop hurting the object then i will give them that,and hold them on the word,but if not.. well then they ask for flames big time..

JUMP BY THE RULES!!! or dont jump at thouse sites...

   Just wanted to make sure I have all the details straight:

JT jumps with skis last week, cops tell him not to. He then continues to jump with skis and with local TV cameras later in the evening.

JT knows that it is wrong, refuses to apologize, and taunts all those who care about the bridge.

JT invites everyone to jump from "his" bridge, the cop thing and the rules are being blown out of proportion.

JT kind of apologizes, says that he will be nice and play by the rules...

JT jumps with a surfboard this time, almost hits people on boats underneath...

JT talks to Tom, says he looked below when he held the surfboard between his legs, but didn't see the people 486' below. And somehow didn't know that a surfboard might slip out from between his legs and fall away?

JT and Tom talk, and all is well again in Twin?




A couple memorable recent quotes:

"and please trust that I love and want o preserve the bridge like all of the rest of us... without it, i would not have such a perfect place for BASE jumping and deathcamping."

"and we are polite and respectful ambassadors for the sport."

"we must not cause more turbulence ourselves on an already minor and docile situation."

sorry, but after all that has gone before it really does sound like arrogance - its the arrogance of doing something, getting caught and told off - making apologies and then thinking you get away with it going and doing something similar again.

I wonder Tom, how you would have reacted should have this been say me doing this? or someone else not so "cool" - I know the rules, I know the problems recently occuring, but I go and do something like this - I would have been strung up by everyone including you I would expect.

Time and time again I see that because of someones reputation and rating on the BASE cool list they get away with things and are given more slack then the rest of us "uncool" group.

One of the reasons I hated the skydiving environment is the clique mentallity and the allowance of the "cool people" to get away with more than the rest of us............

This seems to happen in the field and on the boards.

Everyone is so quick to blaze the Cat Felix for what he does as apparently is way down in the cool list - but I dont see Felix showing no respect to your legal span out there or in fact any thing like the disrespect that is happening out there at the moment.............Felix may have other short comings and issues which I dont agree with either - but what i feel is that the flaming is a little inconsistant..................

The reason this has annoyed me is that I am sat here recovering from an injury where I was on an object with a shattered leg and ankle and after having my foot on the wrong way round and replaced in the field, having my friends take out metal fencing and replace it to get me out of the landing area and then drive 70 miles to a hospital away from the object so not to draw attention to it and blaze it - all this time risking loosing my foot due to my injury......... and then I read about such a disregard to a legal object that puts in at risk............ so who exactly does have the most respect for the sport?

but then again, being a member of the uncool BASE list my thoughts will always count for shit.........

 

No. People should stop making threats of physical violence (like the one's I've edited out of this thread). And they should do it because it's not appropriate in this forum.

That's pretty much accurate.

Except that this part,


We'll have to see how it turns out.

Edit to add: During out talk, JT told me that he was leaving town, and likely wouldn't be back this season.

Very good point....and well put.


Don

blah blah blah....man a lot of people have too much time on there hands...how about in stead of flaming JT on the forum ya'll take a trip to the potato state and make a few jumps with him....i bet after you spend the day out there jumping with him you'll find out that he does not have an FU attitude but he is one of the funnest people to jump with ......go jump have fun quit your bitchen

Sky Beck
aidclimber@hotmail.com

It's not about how fun or cool someone is, its about how much respect they have for how their actions effect those around them - either directly or indirectly.

Right on, Freakdiver.....
If Mother Teresa did the same stuff JT and crew have been doing, I'd still tar and feather her as well...
It's not who you are, how cool you are normally, or the fact that everyone may love you, it's WHAT you did. I see that JT is leaving town before the posse arrives.

I'd T&F that bitch, anyway. Talking about being an attention seeker.

Personally, I think involving the authorities (what Tree was talking about) is a bad idea. Yeah, you don't want anyone pulling this shit, but the more work you make police do, the more of a bother you become. If they're having to come out to chase people away or monitor activities, that's bad news.

Just try not to fuck it up before I leave there on Sunday.

Tree --

I certainly agree with all the points you are making here, but I think it is a bad idea to call the sherrif at this point and time.

Calling the sherrif may cause more harm than good. If the Sherrif's office is bothered enough by jumpers and their actions, then it may be easier for them to simply shut down jumping at the bridge than having to clean up our mess.

It is my opinion that we need to self-regulate amongst ourselves as much as we possibly can and keep law enforcement out of it unless it is absolutely necessary.

Right now, we have a jumper who is being selfish and disrespectful on one of our premier legal objects. For the most part, only the BASE jumping community knows about it, and a handful of spectators in Twin Falls. Calling law enforcement is going to bring all kinds of permanent and lasting attention to BASE jumping as a whole in Twin Falls -- and I'm not convinced that it's going to be good.

Tree, I luv ya bro, but I would like to please ask you not to call the Sherrif at this time and let's do our best to handle this sort of thing internally.

I'm headed to Twin Falls tomorrow evening and am going to do all I can to help there. (I'm actually moving to Idaho -- about an hour west of Twin Falls)

Hope you're doing well and looking forward to seeing you at BD!

Take care,

Bryan

 

I vote T&F...I don't like the idea of getting the authorities involved. It would be a blessing if he gets "legally" banned from the bridge. But what happens when he gets caught doing a bandit jump? Based on what I've read, two of his cohorts (I'll follow the rules by not posting names) have pulled similar stunts. When the cops get tired of showing up all of the time, the bridge will burn.

I agree that we need to police ourselves. So why don't we police the current problem? I vote for T&F, but if that isn't the consensus, I vote AGAINST POLICING BY FLAMING. Next step?

Good post Bryan ...

Not long ago some experienced local skydivers did something here in CO which was wrong and it attracted a lot of negative attention both in the skydiving community as well as in the media. I made the mistake of stating the obvious here on DZ.COM that what they did was wrong and another jumper PM'ed me and had some very good points which are similar to what has been happening here. I was being overly critical of these jumpers and this jumper who PM'ed me basically told me that being a critic often serves no good outside of letting others know that I really had nothing constructive to say and people will remember me as nothing more than some who slams other people. Then this jumper went on to tell me that yes these people did fuck up, this jumper who PM'ed me had fucked up in the past and guess what? Sooner or later I would fuck up. And how could I argue with him? This jumper who PM'ed me was 100% correct (to date I have yet to do anything really stupid, but that's not to say that I won't do something stupid on my next jump).

So yes the guilty people have fucked up, and many people on here have outed them, criticized them and even threatened them. Hopefully because the BASE community has been pretty vocal here self-policing ourselves, that many many people (not just the guilty people) will come to the understanding that certain actions at the Perrine will not be tolerated. But the time to point fingers has come and gone and it is time to move on and getting the local law enforcement people involved likely is going to hurt more that it's going to help.

We need to be better ambassadors to the sport when we're at the bridge. We need to answer the whuffos questions when we are asked and we need to act in a curtious manner and watch our potty mouths. And personally I believe we need to stop pestering the whuffos. Running up to them asking them if they saw us jump, showing them our videos and telling them how cool we are because we jump isn't going to impress the whuffos (who think we are crazy to begin with). I know I am new to BASE, but I've always been under the impression that we jump for ourselves and not for others. So unless I'm mistaken here, let's all try to remember why we jump in the first place. I know I don't jump to impress my fellow jumpers and I surely don't jump to impress the whuffos.

Don't tell me.... he's driving a doubledecker bus full of pensioners off the <edit: site naming ~TA>.

If i didn't know any better, i would have thought all these Perrine post were a wind-up.

"Taxi for Baumgartner..."

Amen to that - however, this wasn't a fuck up - this was a blatent (more than once I might add) disregard for one of the few rules setup at the potato bridge.

"It is my opinion that we need to self-regulate amongst ourselves as much as we possibly can and keep law enforcement out of it unless it is absolutely necessary."

On that note, how do you self-regulate someone who obviously has total disregard for a basic rule and continues to break it? You can only self regulate so far, whats to stop the guy from breaking the rules time and time again?? Public ridicule goes a far way, especially in todays internet age.

PS - I'm pretty sure I know what fuck up you are talking about and the bottomline is it should have been prevented hands down. Not that I have a PRO rating or anything, but I wouldn't have gone close to that event under canopy with those winds and I'd imagine if you ask 100 jumpers out there, 99 of the would agree. I've said no to a good dozen demos because of squirly winds. Different subject altogether - but, when it comes down to it, it sorta ties into what is happening in TF. Rules are there for a reason and to break them while knowing them is simply disrespect to EVERYONE who has worked so hard to get the location where it is today.

until he shows some good maners im not gonna jump whith a guy like him.. im not here to destroy the BASE comunity,if i can i will make it stronger.. and i cant do it by burning objects,giving ammo to the wrong people bla bla.. but yes i would like to jump whith JT the day he shows me that he can do better than he just did...but until then i feel no needs to jump whith a guy like that.sorry.Nothing about JT´s preformance which i think is great,its just the wrong place to show it...

With all due respect have you met JT or any other other guilty people? Do you really know what sort of character he/they are? To my knowledge I haven't met JT (though his character has been described to me by someone on these boards who I know and respect who knows JT and JT's character was descibed as no different than someone who just needs to grow up a little and believe me I know plenty of people who also fall into that category). Nor have I met Jimmy H (someone I would like to meet one day). But I have met Miles at the bottom of the LZ and if I'm not mistaken he was one of the original people who was accused of jumping from the rail and I can tell you that Miles was very friendly and curtious to me. Heck I've even met Tom and I'd be willing to bet that he couldn't even pick me out of a line up without the help of others on this board. So unless you really know that JT has a "fuck all of you attitude", then you are only being a critic to judge someone who you don't know.

In my mind JT did fuck up ... again ... and yes leaving Twin Falls seems like a self preservation attitude. But to tell you the truth can you blame the guy for not wanting to be T&F? I can only hope that he has learned some lessons from his antics and life is nothing but an opportunity to learn from our mistakes.

Once again I feel that the time to flame people has come and gone and it is now time for everyone who jumps at the Perrine to remember what a great gift we have been given and to do our best to be good ambassadors to the sport while we are there.

All I have to go on is actions unfortunately. I have not met the said jumpers. I do however no 20+ jumpers that use that bridge rather regularly and wouldn't want to see it dissappear. If the cops continue to get hasseld, it will eventually happen.

Character means nothing to me when actions prevail that character. I know you personally - I know your character and I think is a great one - BUT, lets say you were to get that bridge burned. As much as I respect you and admire the progress you've made in such a short period of time, I'd let that action speak louder than your character.

Again - about actions and character "So unless you really know that JT has a "fuck all of you attitude", then you are only being a critic to judge someone who you don't know." My only point was this wasn't the first time there was a blatent disregard for the rules.

I am not here to be a critic on someone's character when they aren't in freefall - the only thing that matters it the perception the potato town's people and cops have of the people jumping off of the bridge.

I don't want to start any kind of flame war, I want to see my friends happy when they come back from the bridge and not have that ruined by one person who has proven they don't care enough about the rules to follow them on more than one occasion. That and I'm bored at work hah!

I met JT at the potato not long ago. He's an alright guy, friendly even. Yeah, he did some things he shouldn't have, and I am sure he knows he pissed a lot of people off. Personally, though, I think it's crap that he's being chased out of town by this angry mob. Anyone ever think of talking to the guy besides Tom? I hate this mob mentality that everybody thinks is going to scare someone into submission. Don't get me wrong, I didn't appreciate his actions, but he'll get his in the end. We have no more right to judge than the people who deem us criminals. Try being a voice of reason rather than a high school bully. I know I would respond a hell of a lot better to someone talking to me about a situation rather than threatening me. Devils advocate I guess. oh yes, and let the flames begin.

Well, he did say he was heading to Norway. Y'all have fun over there, ya' hear?

actions like this hurt everyone, i have no idea what should be done in situations like this but we should all remember one thing. it's a golden rule.

Leave things in life just a little bit better than how you found them. including the communities that you belong to.

~chachi

Why do you feel the need to defend him? Who said he was chased out of town? If he has the character that his defenders are claiming, it doesn't seem like he would be so easily run out of town. Is it possible he came to town, pissed on a bridge, and now is kicking grass on it? Nobody is saying he isn't a nice guy, he just doesn't get it. People are discussing here how to give it to him in a way that he will understand. He was spoken to, and his actions reflect a finger in the air attitude. I don't know the guy, not do I care about how he is judged or treated by INTERNET characters, but his actions can potentially ruin a fun activity for hundreds (maybe thousands) of people that are willing to play by the rules.

That's Potato Mr Quayle


what?

Thanks Webster!

Just havin fun

I am not defending JT or his actions.

OOps, I guess I took it the wrong way. You were playing the devils advocate, and I am playing the devil's ....( Webster, help me out here) challenger. Either way, this thread is far too exciting to let you rain on the parade. I say T/F any fucker that is causing problemsw, throw em off the bridge with his bridle wrapped around his feet, with a .....how bout an Air Chair (seems suitable), then have what's his name film it from the rail. Then when he lands in Mr. Johnson's boat, he can get a ride back to the top and have the Sherrif Death Camp with the local tanning constituants. We'll put it on Real TV, and when we are old and grey doing bandits off of the P-span we can watch Vids of when it was legal and free like The Captain once was.

PS: I need a mentor

Tree --

Congrats on the new kid -- that's awesome! I hope he'll be BASEing and Swooping within a few years.

Your question of "What can we do?" is an excellent question.

In my opinion, we should all talk to him one-on-one. In person is better, but phone or email may work too. It can certainly be pointed out that this has already happenned (from the standing on the rail incident/water skis) and then he went on to pull a stupid stunt (the surfboard)...but I think that talking to him may still have a positive effect.

I have never met JT, and it's awfully hard to judge someone who you have never met. From what I've been exposed to here on the internet, I'd say that perhaps he is someone who doesn't have an appreciation for the Perrine's legal status. He may also be someone who is "caught-up" in the whole mentality of "Hey, I am sponsered (or want to be sponsored) and gotta look cool for my sponsors, so I want to pull off some tricks". Now add the fact that he didn't enter the sport through the normal channels (no skydives when a friend hucked him off the bridge) so therefore he probably doesn't have the same appreciation that we all have...

But even with all of this, I do not know JT, so is all of this true? Maybe, maybe not. But if I have an opportunity to meet him, then any judgements I form may be more substantiated.

By all means, hucking your meat from the rail, jumping with water-skis when asked not too, and jumping with a surfboard not even remotely secured to your body is just plain wrong. I don't support any of this, but my plan is to talk to him rationally and explain why. It may or may not have any effect, but I think it's the next step to take. (if he goes to Norway before I see him, I'll still talk to him next time he is in town or via email if I have to)

Everyone's frustration over his actions are well-founded. Everyone here wants to see the Perrine remain open for BASE jumping, me included. I think one-on-one communication may still work. If not, then you're right -- something else should be done -- but I'm not sure I have the perfect answer.

Bryan

Never met JT, never jumped with JT...don't care to meet JT, don't care to jump with JT. Actions speak louder than words, so he's not sweet-talking his way out of this one.

And I haven't read any scare tactics on here. A scare tactic would be to T&F. THEN HE WOULD BE SCARED. I have seen no posts directed towards JT, only possible options. Besides, does he even know how to use a computer? Can he even read?? I know that he can't hear, because I know of at least two other people besides the one mentioned that have talked to him.

When he gets back from Norway, we'll see how he acts. If he doesn't behave, then T&F. My opinion.

so does that mean that i can go to the S,be disrespectful to it and thouse who jumps it and then just carry on becours i can do some kick ass stuff(well i cant get off whith it as im not a kick ass person,and im not doing arials)???

If thats the way your jumping then feel free not to visit me.I dont have any legal sites around here,however after hard work i can now jump this A whith no harm aslong i follow the rules i made whith the farmers and neighbours...You have any idea how much you need to put into it to keep it like that?How often do you drive to an object,knowing you cant jump but just to clean up the place as you know people use it as a trash can.. how often do you drive out visiting neighbours to keep them in the freindly way?I can tell you i use more time and mony on that than you can imagiene.

Should i have flowers for that?? no i dont think so but i do expect people jumping the site to follow thouse simple rules there are,and people feel the same way about that S.

Untill you care as much about an object then please dont be critic to thouse who really fight so that you and other can keep playing all over the world.

What JT and thouse guys should have done were playing by the rules they knew it.But even as they were pointed out that they werent allowed they still did the same...About the board thing..Try a radio,if a guy below tells its clear then it would never had been an issue(unless you cant jump wthith a board)..

I do agree that we cant keep blaming forever but as it seems they dont really get it,untill they do i guess the flames will stay...

I met JT for my first time this weekend. I was making my first base jump with Utah. He Seemed like a pretty cool guy and even gave me some complements, felt good from hearing it from sombody with his experience. But deffenetly we only have very few legal places to jump meening only 1 legal bridge. Nobody wants to see that get ruined. For a safty aspect there is no better place to learn, JT i have to say man, quit doing what your doing. Stick to the edicate and help protect what we have.

Well put...it's all about respect

For jumpers, spectators, and the object.

Here is video of the jump in question.

Two things to note that are the subject of discussion here.

1) The board was a "tow in" type board with straps to hold it to the feet (they turned out not to be strong enough to hold it through opening shock).

2) There is a boat waiting under the jumpers, which you can see through the rail as he climbs over. The boat comes up the river to pick him up after the jump.

Tom

I was under the impression there were other boats in the area. The only one in view is the one that picked him up.

I remember seeing a video of Jason Rooney(rip) jumping a surfboard with straps about, oh 10 or 11 years ago. His was off a building, in daylight, pca,. More entertaining then that board off a bridge. If these guys are sponsered, they really need to come up with something fresh and original.

There's another one behind it, if you look carefully at the end. And you can't really see under the bridge in the video. I've got no idea if there was anything on the water over that way or not.

so were i.If thouse boats behind the boat rushing towads him are thouse who were close,then i do belive he still made it as safe as posible.I dunno if you can jump whith boards off the S,but the vids looks like no one were near the boards as it impact the water,and he lands just besides the board to pick it up.As said you cant see under the S while he jumps,perhaps a guy on the ground could have used a walkie to make it clear that it were 100%safe,but its easy to say afterwards..

Unless The board is a not premitted jump off that S(and things are as i see them on the vid) you have my apoligies JT.I had the impress that people were just below and were about to get a board in the head,after what i can see it wasnt the case.Therefore my flames in this issue werent ok,and my apoligies for that.

Doesn't this video beg the question "Why would you want to tow your pilot chute in with you?"

Looks like he was having a pilot chute in tow for about 2-2.5 seconds. Was it supposed to be a PCA or did the holder fuck up and toss it behind the Rad Jumper? But then again why would you do a PCA facing the bridge? Do these jumpers not know about the snatch force it takes to open a container? I would hate to see such an awesome jumper go in like this for a few photos of, as 515 said, old stuff that has been done. I really don't get why they would deploy like this.... please someone enlighten me
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Unless my vision is really bad, I THINK the guy giving him a PCA was one of his students.

Not sure what your point is here. During my FJC with Vertigo I PCA'ed Jimmy. Why did he let me PCA him? So that I knew how to PCA people when it was time to set me free.

I think the point is to have a person who knows what to do on a PCA. It looks to me neither person directly involved knew what they were doing. I guess no one watching saw anything wrong either....sad! I don't see anything wrong with teaching people the right way to do things no matter how many jumps they have. The key here is doing it the "Right Way". I think Jimmy might be a little more knowledgable on these things too, so he would therefore be a better teacher. It's really rather humerous watching people who have little or no knowlegde of BASE and parachuting trying to teach people the "right way" to do things (blind leading the blind). I think it's more an ego thing than anything else. These people think that since they have 'survived' a few jumps they are now experts and can pass their superior knowledge to BASE wannabees so they can feel important. I do feel sorry for the students since they don't know any better (although they should if they value there life!) Eventually someone will get hurt or killed or a site will be burned because they had inferior teachers who didn't understand or failed to try to understand all of the little things in BASE that will make you an OLD RESPECTED BASE JUMPER not a Stupid looking DEAD one.

stay safe,
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Well said, my bad. We shouldn't compare the instruction of someone who knows what they are doing compared to some wanna bee with an attitude.

for what it is worth....

I know at least that you can PCA someone ...

I'm fairly sure it was BB, from Oregon, who has at least several hundred jumps. It looks like he releases the PC prematurely (which, in JT's opinion, was why the board came off).

let me ask this question since I only have maybe 20 jumps from the Perrine and in no way am an expert on the heights involved but is it safe to do a slider down floater PCA off that bridge? How much steel do you have to pass before you have clear airspace in front of you? I would seem to me that the more logical choice would be to face away from the bridge (cameras) when doing PCA's. Maybe I'm wrong though??

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I'd generally agree with you. If you do a PCA and have a 180 (or do a floater), and you're not dead center, you do have some chance to strike the steel. If you are dead center? I'd bet you couldn't hit it, but I've never seen anyone do that, so I'm just speculating.

right,
thanks Tom and Hookitt on the scoop.

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