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Comes out fall 2004

Wow. I sure wish I was cool enough to stand on the rail like that.

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Thanks!

Ohhhhh soooo negative Tom! What about the footage, or are you just stirring?!?

Come on! It is sick! And you and everyone else know it. Let it ride! Let's take our "sport" to the front! Don't we all want to jump wherever and whenever we want? BASE needs to be accepted and appreciated by the mainstream public - and this is one of the ways of getting there - probably the best! You know what it is like in countries where it is accepted - we want this here too; and making a big fuss over some small transgression/s will get us no-where - leave it alone! Concentrate on the positive!

I think Radix looks more rad than 2nd Base!

What all you got?

T-o-t

that not what he was getting at. i am sure he thinks it has some very progressive footage, but again, that's not what he is getting at

That was my first thoughts as I was watching it as a BASE whuffo. I thought that rail jumps were not allowed at the Idaho Bridge. Guess having a logo on the canopy makes that rule invalid

Please tell me your post was sarcasm....

Nice video.

Explains why WG & the PTs are hot right now.

Oh ya and thanks for those k-rad shots of rail jumps from the Potato Bridge. I'm thoroughly impressed.

Good job guys...

Tim and I are _old_ friends. He was around when I made my first skydives and BASE jumps.

I don't agree.

Putting out videos of jumpers breaking the few rules that apply to an object, then shrugging it off when other jumpers complain, and essentially saying "we'll keep doing what we want."

What does that sound like to you?

Because to me it sounds like exactly what happened in Yosemite 25 years ago. And it certainly was not "the best" way to get BASE "accepted and appreciated" there, was it?

I can hear the flatbed starting up...

With all the recent problems over the Red Bull guys jumping from the rail, I think this video is solid proof that some jumpers just don't give a crap about site preservation or their fellow jumpers.

That's right Tim has been around since a lot of people's first jumps, so have I. In fact I've been around longer than almost everybody who's talking smack.

Listen, you all are very quick to say things like, "So that's why some sites are hot." Get off it. Every site in Northern California has been hot since the first yahoo jumped with a racer and a colaspable pilot chute.

By telling people they should be pissed off at these videos does nothing productive.

I've been around long enough to point some middle fingers back at the people who are pointing fingers at me. I've seen endless daylight footage of all of you. The only difference is, I don't care.

If you don't want to see my videos, don't watch. I'm not making them to look cool or get approval from anyone. I'm doing these videos because I feel like it. It's not for money, respect, sponsors, approval, or friends.

Keep saying that objects are hot because of me, and I'm going to get irritated. These objects are in my back yard. I'm the local here and I know more than most you about the state of their jumpability.

Some of you guys are becoming characatures of yourselves. And almost all are guilty of the charges being thrown out.

It's a hardcore sport, and if you can't handle the way some of us are doing it, get out of it. Go back to jumping out of planes where the only thing you'll ever be guilty of burning is the ozone.

Again, don't watch if you don't want. But stop accusing me of stuff, and don't be hypocritical.

Thanks,
Jimmy

I own a home in Twin Falls, Idaho. I didn't realize you lived here as well.

You really are a silly person.
I don't live in Twin Falls, and I wasn't refering to your B. I was refering to my A's.

Very silly, most of the time.

There are no B's in Twin Falls to jump.

I was actually discussing the rail jumps made at the local S. I don't really think of it as "mine". I'm pretty sure it belongs to the people of the state of Idaho, so I guess in a sense it's very fractionally "mine" though.

so becourse you live there it means you have the rights to make us look bad at objects near you?

i dont think so..

Personaly i think the vid look great,cool jumps but hey it dont make it better that its good stuff if you ruin the place you want to jump tommorow.

Its not about you jumping off the rail or skies,but that you didnt cared s### about the rules at the site which could make it hard to jump there in the future...

If your are a real BASE jumper then you calculate risk.You must have seen this comming,if not perhaps your the one that should go back burning ozone...

B is for building.

How long did you say you'd been in the sport?

Your As huh? They belong to you and only you?

hookitt may disagree a bit with that...

This BD you will see lots of video of the Houston crew day jumping stuff.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

No.

The difference is that:

1. When we jumped the Potato Bridge, we DIDN'T jump from the rail;
2. Moab pretty much speaks for itself;
3. Our day As are extremely remote (think "Deliverance" remote) & we're the only ones jumping them; and
4. Our ONE day B is also only being jumped by us in a very low-to-no bust part of town.

The point we're trying to make isn't that cool video is bad. Hell, I like seeing me on video as well.

The point is, you CAN get plenty of very cool video and still play by the rules.

(also note my usage of the words "our" and "us" when referring to objects, not "mine" and "me"... you may want to add those to your vocabulary)

>> I wasn't refering to your B.<<
Jimmy,
((that's an S not a B ))

Cool footage I will admit. Rail jumps I will never agree with. Much of the BIG A jumps, are fine. Perhaps a tiny bit late in the morning but you personaly know about one of my morning jumps. It was fun and no one was the wiser.

By the way what you didn't hear was Shane said ... " Jimmy might get pissed but it's getting late, let's get off this thing" ... The sun was still below the horizon but it was getting very light out.

The PT's have become many fold hotter in the past 3 years. The packing under the tower to headlights, and some other folks that believe it's ok to jump in the day have made it that way. Still jumpable, but people are being run off.

You and I will disagree on certain things. You and I have had face to face conversations about day jumps. If "person A" jumps in the day and is seen running off... "person B" who jumps later is much more likely to be under the watchful eye. I've been lucky a few times. You even agreed with me ... reluctantly.

Jimmy I won't talk behind your back. I don't agree with the rail jumps. It's the only rule. I was skeptical about the scrutiny y'all were getting up until I saw the preview. It's no wonder Don was getting angry and brought it to the sheriffs attention.

I'm certain that you thought noboday cared about day jumps on the PTs. (by the way ***** is a lucky f*cker* doing those ... athletic... flips). <I removed the name... this is an old post so it's just not important anymore, if it even was then>

Bottom line, the talent is good, it's the fuck y'all attitude that's being displayed. I'm just some shmuck that wants to jump off stuff now and then and keep objects like the legal S, legal, and local stuff not so challenging to get on, get off, and get away with.

I'd rather jump with you than not. I don't jump enough at the DZ you play at but when I do, it's nice to know we can hang out with out tension.

Remember that Battle between you me and Miles? Miles kicked our collective asses. Shit like that is loads of fun.

What's done is done, and there's no changing it. I do wish there was a tad more respect for those of us without the means to just go find other stuff to flick ... that's all.

Tim

I think most folks agree that dawn and dusk jumps on higher profile objects is in-bounds. I'll have to re-watch the trailer but what struck me was that a sizeable portion of the PT & WG jumps were in broad daylight. If they were all dawn/dusk, my apologies.... but some sure don't look like it.

The whole site-heating issue is sort of like pornography... I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

And what makes one transgression forgiveable and the other tar & featherable isn't the act, it's the attitude afterward. JV didn't get the T&F treatment solely because he burned the crane... he got it because of his "fuck all of you" attitude afterward.

From people that I've talked to, WG & the PTs aren't "burned" per se, but they're awfully darn warm (but slowly cooling off).

The big A was morning loads. Some were a bit lighter than should be expected. Getting on for a dusk load isn't heard of.

The PTs at dusk, isn't a good Idea anymore. It's climbed in view of any one looking. Morning, it's fine.

...

PS, I was just accused of being too nice in my previous post. He said I made my point though.

I have to admit,
you all are being pretty cool, and Tim is right; I relunctantly agree.

The rail jumps will never happen again, but they were done. Not again, I promise.

I've actually never known what BASE stands for. The B isn't bridge? Anyway...

All the jumps in that video were way more stealthy than they look. I'd be glad to jump them with any of you any time and if you don't agree with my style then cool.

The funny thing is, we all get along. I'd hate for that to change.

I'm the lucky one. i'm the one doing the scary flipping in the vid.

There's two distinct issues here:

1. the rail jumps which I cannot defend; nor will I try.
They won't be done again, so in time, as long as the bridge stays open, it will all just be water under the S.

2. the other jumps in the vid. Ican and will defend them because I know when and how they actually took place. True enough that if I get seen the guy behind me might get caught. Plus the added surveilance. But there was a lot less light than can be judged by the vid. If I were shooting film on those, it would have looked like midnight.

whether people see my video, think I'm dayblazing, and then do exactly that...I'm not sure, but that's another discussion for another time because I gotta go do a tandem right now.

Do any of you know where I can buy a cheap flatbed? I have this great idea for the park.

later,
Jimmy

Thanks Jimmy for your post.


Water under the S, as you say.


That's fair & reasonable. And I apologize for my comments regarding when those jumps were made... it does look bright, but as you said, video can be misleading.

I think everyone is on the same page... which is good.

I will say this... aside from the controversy behind some of the jumps, they ARE pretty damn badass and the editing is very good.

I'm trying to figure out who that is in the soundtrack... sounds vaguely Iron Maiden-ish but I don't think it is.

Hopefully we can all put this behind us, move forward and share a beer or 3 at Bridge Day. I have a feeling there's going to be some stiff competition at this year's video contest.

The sound track is a song called "Turn of the Tide" by Sky Viking, a band who's lead singer is a great skydiver, and friend Eric Lee. Many NorCal peeps may know Eric.

They have registered www.skyvikingmusic.com but have no sight yet. Let me know if anyone want's more info and I'll put them in contact with the artist.

Correct,
the band is Sky Viking. Eric Lee's band kicks ass, and I'm using his music with permission. His LP just became available. It's got 5 killer tracks.

It's all self-released, and I'm sure he could use all the support he can get. Check it out at www.skyvikingmusic.com.

He's a BASE jumper with tons of experience and some really sick jumps to his credit.

Hey Jimmy,

Kirby never did get me a copy of SI like he said he would.....got one I could pry off ya? I'd love to have it in my collection....

Does that mean he's puked on every object?

Including a B.. S... whatever?

I'm pretty sure you could get one cheap from Dennis Murphy.

Eric Lee is the real deal. Definitely.

Looks like a race for the first BASE puke #. Guess I'll eat at Ruchi's next B jump.

Jimmy, by the way, it was good meeting you. Thanks for inviting us on the morning climb. Was a great visual watching Miles and Shane exit. Catch ya'll on the flipside

That was a joke

B = bridge
S = span... commonly known as bridge

I nearly got my "A" Puke out of the way on that very climb mentioned above. Double Shot and a Power bar... not such a good combo.

Getting you your Barf S is gonna be a trick.

Hmmm....

Hey Tim, let's feed Brit a whole bunch of Jaegermeister, Goldschlager & tequila and then haul her out to one of our upcoming S's at about 6 in the morning.

If she doesn't hurl, she's got a cast-iron stomach.

Dude, I already have my S Bridge Day '03 baby.

Dude, that makes me want to hurl just thinking about it.

Besides you must jump after puking to make it official.

---SOoo... here's what we do.

We'll hike up from the bottom really quickly at a local S. But before we do, we'll secretly replace half of the gatorade in her camelbak with syrup of ipecac....

DONE!!!

Damn, you're not supposed to be online

Haha, nice try fellas. Although I do have to admit Tim, you did give a worthy effort on attempting my puke E, taking us on a safari like that. I think Zen would agree. No more funny desert tricks

I second that.

I third that.

I dunno I thought it was fun... especially the hallucinations.

I say we do it again.

Interesting thread drift we're having here. Quite the stream of consiousness

I prefer to think of it as ADHD attention-shift.

Is this pretty common? Ray Losli was taking me to the top of my first E and I swear we wandered around for about an hour and a half longer than we needed to. There was a group waiting for us to show up on top and they got tired of waiting for us.

I'm just wondering if he did it on purpose because I know for a fact that he's got an assload of jumps from this thing.

Is there some secret tradition of getting people lost their first time to a new cliff?

lucky me i only tryed to jump off a huge rock

I only were near puiking once so far,the day i forced myself to climb 900ft,now that cant be good to your body

Nope it's not a tradition, it's called lost. Plain and simple. Lived, learned don't feel like doing it again.

cheers!

Shhhh. They don't know yet.

Judging from my (extremely limited) experience, I'd guess this was a contributing factor...

 

So you didn't like it, huh?

 

I guess I forgot to add the

For most of those "stealthy jumps" off the bridge you can see all sorts of traffic going by as the jumpers exit.
As for the claim of more Rad than 2nd BASE............ nah, I don't think so. Some cool shots and angles granted but the editing and style of jumps on 2nd BASE looks more appealing to me personally. Probably due to the extra "E" factor.
To each his own but to me it is the "E's" that float my boat.
12 days until Norway:):)......................................

The one on 2nd BASE that I thought was totally awesome was the guy swinging around on the gymnastics bar and then flinging himself over the edge.

NOICE!

is it the same one that is one the "Oslo Base" (iirc) video from the Flyboyz Film Festival?

that is an awesome exit...

honestly i dont care how EXTREME!!! your footage is, if your causing a situation that fucks over other jumpers to get it..your not getting any money from my pocket...

Hey Tree Jumps,
I'm not sure I know you. Are you the guy that said you were going to wrap my bridle around my leg or something when we were talking about the rail jumps? A bridle around leg...as if I haven't tried that.

Anyway, I'm sorry you don't like the aerials in the video. I guess the shot of Jimmy Freeman doing a double gainer off a 470' A is old-school and boring. I'll try to my friends to stay on-axis in the future.

And I guess you're right, maybe I was an idiot for jumping my VX-84 off the bridge at S-day. But I don't recall there being a 25mph headwind. Three gusting to five would be more accurate. But is it my fault I had a 180 on that. I've seen lots of good jumpers have off-heading openings, but I've never called them idiots for it. It's usually their reaction time I look at. Mine was pretty good on that one I think.

It appears that you just don't like my attitude. It's not the video, it's the attitude behind it, right?

Hmmm...whatever.

And as for more E in the final product. Don't worry, I'll be collecting footage until Sept. So there's still plenty of time to get a flat-bed. Dennis Murphy jumps at the same drop-zone as me. I know he's in.

 

Dude,
I can accept criticism, and you're right about my attitude sometimes.

But I swear, those winds were NOT 20+.

And I'm not a media hound. I've never cared about whether or not people know who I am or what I do.

I'm making this current video because actually, I'm an artist. I'm just trying to create something that didn't exist before. Just do me a favor and watch the finished product when it's done.

Those jumps at the bridge in Idaho are just one brush-stroke on the canvass. If you fixate on that alone you'll miss the point of the whole piece.

You did say that you liked some of the camera angles right?

By including them you've virtually guaranteed that BASE jumpers will fixate on them. Kind of ruined your art, there, I think.

Jimmy... a humble request.

Is there any chance at all that you could take the rail jumps out of your video? I'm sure you have plenty of other video that could go in their place and there's still lots of time until October to do it.

And I know you would get TONS of respect from your fellow jumpers if you did.

You must eventually do the video as you see fit, and I'm not telling you how to do your video. Just asking.

For the record, I have a few jumps in the video that I'm putting together that I was uncertain about. I wrote an email to Jason to see how he felt, since the jumps are in his backyard, and he was OK with it.

Courtesy goes a long way in this sport.

Or edit the footage to show the jumps, but just not from the rail.

You guys are gonna spoil the surprise.
I was already seriously considering that.
They're in the trailer partly because I wanted to see the actual reaction. I respect the concern about the site. I can see it's a real issue and not just a few people mad at a few others.

The trailer's on the web. we know that. And I sent about 20 out to friends, BR, Marti Tilley, and a few others. But when I go into production chances are, you won't see 'em.

However, the shot of Miles doing a Mr. Bill roll-over with Shane was not off the rail and that stays.

So does the VX jump at Bridge Day, no matter what the winds were or whether or not I got lucky.

Clicky!

I don't think anyone had any problem with that one.

 

Word.

As with most of the things we do, I think it's a touch of both.

Hey Jimmy, that's very cool. Thanks!

I was really impressed by the freeflying. I normally find it really boring to watch. I guess the 30 seconds or so that was in there was the perfect amount. Skills.

I'm taking the RADIX teaser off the web tonight, so check it while you can.

I've already saved it on my computer.

To all those people who have criticize certain aerials in Jimmy's preview video, have you been watching any of the other videos out there? I seem to slowly be accumulating a bunch of BASE videos and there is plenty of poorly executed aerials all over the place. In fact I don't think I have a single BASE video where all of the aerials were clean. Even DW has videos with aerials that were not clean and he was considered by many to be one of the best if not the best aerials BASE jumper out there. So let's be careful why we feel the need to criticize people.

Hey Jimmy, I love your "Standard Issue" video for both it's artistry and the awesome freeflying, swooping and BASE footage and I trust that Radix will be the same. I also trust that you know your mistakes at the Perrine. But we're all human, we make mistakes and learning from those mistakes is what counts in the long run.

The man in black does some really nice ones. I saw video of JJ in Norway doing very nice stuff, as well. Even when DW had some slop, it was still better than most stuff that shows up on these vids. Plus he did double thingies from like 180', which is insane. In that 2nd BASE teaser, there was one that was just crazy -- wonder who it was.

Yes Jeb has some serious talent.

Actually, he once described himself, in conversation with me, as having "no talent at all". His point was that he has worked his ass off to gain the skills he has. It's one of the biggest reasons to respect him. He doesn't just go out and throw twisty flips off whatever--he has real coaches, real training, and real determination. He's one of the few Americans to actually get serious about training for this stuff, and it really shows.

You can tell, he really knows where he is axis wise. I see it in alot of other aerials thrown where it just seems like the axis release points or angles are just guessed at creating over or under rotation side effects. Regardless, way to hairy for me period! Impressive as all get out though!!

Those doubles off the 180 footer are amazing...

That's how DW was, too. Train and train and train and train. That + talent.

clean arials..hmm i thourght it were about beeing unstabel make some rotations and then in the end show that you can recover from it just like that.. he he..

That's what I learned in AFF, so it must be true!